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Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by andywood »

statictype wrote: post #45
axod wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still makes an absolute ton of sense for people who only use the web. The browser on android is OK, but it's nowhere near Chrome afaics. I believe ChromeOS is going after the non-techy market of people who don't care about all the bells and whistles of android. I think both could still be successful.

It still makes an absolute ton of sense for people who only use the web. How many people do you know who only use the web?

Chrome is literally the only app I ever run on my MacBook. I do everything else on my desktop. So it's not that I only use the web, but that I only use the web on that particular device.

Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by trezor »

bockris wrote: post #49
statictype wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still makes an absolute ton of sense for people who only use the web. How many people do you know who only use the web?

My parents, my in-laws, and to some degree my wife and kids. I was lucky enough to receive a Cr-48 and it's been in constant use for the small time we've had it. Some of that is the 'new' factor but my wife has a regular laptop that she uses on the couch occasionally. Now she asks "Where is the Google laptop?" It is partially form factor but the boot/wakeup speed is addicting. Also the fast user switching makes it ve…

> My parents, my in-laws, and to some degree my wife and kids.

Until they want to play some music not on youtube, dig up some pictures they didn't upload to facebook etc etc. Or just actually do a slideshow of pictures, since most web-pages don't really allow you to do slideshows.

There's a ton of use-cases I see most people do all the time which a no-local-storage platform will simply not support.

> She lifted the lid, it was on instantly, she signed me out and signed herself in and was reading her mail in probably about 10 seconds.

I fail to see how this is different from any other laptop on the planet. I have a regular Windows laptop and this has always been my experience. Heck, switching from my GFs account to mine I can be on in about 5 seconds. A cold boot however will take me 10. SSDs are pretty cool that way.

Regardless. Back to the topic: I also fail to see how any of this relates to a platform being locked down to not allow local applications. Just where does the Linux-lockdown start providing real, actual benefits you don't get elsewhere?

I'm not saying you must be wrong or mistaken, but what I do suggest is that there are normal use-cases which will benefit from having local-storage and applications and that I see absolutely no use-cases where having the local option completely blocked and removed provides any benefits.

Your "google laptop" is my Windows-laptop. Amputated. Without any benefits added what so ever.

Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by bockris »

trezor wrote: post #52
bockris wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My parents, my in-laws, and to some degree my wife and kids. I was lucky enough to receive a Cr-48 and it's been in constant use for the small time we've had it. Some of that is the 'new' factor but my wife has a regular laptop that she uses on the couch occasionally. Now she asks "Where is the Google laptop?" It is partially form factor but the boot/wakeup speed is addicting. Also the fast user switching makes it ve…

> My parents, my in-laws, and to some degree my wife and kids. Until they want to play some music not on youtube, dig up some pictures they didn't upload to facebook etc etc. Or just actually do a slideshow of pictures, since most web-pages don't really allow you to do slideshows. There's a ton of use-cases I see most people do all the time which a no-local-storage platform will simply not support. > She lifted the l…

We agree to disagree. I don't see any of these things as issues for my use case. My parents don't have a computer now. They don't want to listen to music and they mostly want to consume pictures of their grandkids which we would email to them or post to Picasa. The video chat through google talk is icing on the cake.

I can't get rid of my 'real' laptop because I need to interface with other hardware like my Arduino, etc. But for emailing and reading my news feed I like the Cr-48. Would the same purpose be served by a different netbook? Probably but I don't have one of those to compare to.

And my experience with fast user switching on windows is totally different from yours. Maybe it's the age of the laptop and not having an SSD but it's not even something I consider doing it's so slow. When my kids want to check their email, we fire up an incognito session on chrome on the existing windows session. Again, probably to do with my hardware.

Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by jasongullickson »

Android is a platform for native applications and runs web apps out of necessity. Chrome OS runs nothing but web apps and has no support (in fact, it has anti-support) for native, non web-based apps.

The fact that these two systems come from Google is about the only thing they have in common. Why would they "need" to be merged, when doing so would do nothing but dilute each in turn?

I think Google has enough smart people on board to effectively support two platforms...

Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by rwhitman »

Isn't Chrome just an OS layer optimized to run Google Apps and logically intended more for enterprise use? Who really needs to deal with Windows and IT issues for sales reps? If they can use Salesforce & Google Apps all they need is a browser. No IT dept, no expensive licenses, viruses etc.

A free or dirt cheap OS with little to no IT configuration and that can run on cheap legacy hardware is probably a big win for many businesses.

For a certain segment of business use, it would render Windows obsolete and I think thats the point.

Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by sahaj »

i386 wrote: post #5
paul wrote: post #2

I like that the screenshot says "11 seconds ago". An idle thought while setting up my new MacBook Air became a TC post in record time!

When Google started to make noise about Chrome OS I had a similar thought - what company in their right mind would want two mobile operating systems?

i think folks are seriously underestimating google apps and the related business model. chrome os is going to be a business-focused platform, where the use of keyboards is extensive. you can only take productivity so far with touch screen devices.

Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by gaiusparx »

rwhitman wrote: post #55

Isn't Chrome just an OS layer optimized to run Google Apps and logically intended more for enterprise use? Who really needs to deal with Windows and IT issues for sales reps? If they can use Salesforce & Google Apps all they need is a browser. No IT dept, no expensive licenses, viruses etc. A free or dirt cheap OS with little to no IT configuration and that can run on cheap legacy hardware is probably a big win for m…

Centrally managed enterprise computing exists since the beginning with mainframe with dumb terminals. And you have Citrix thin client or vmware virtual client infrastructure for such purpose. ChromeOS is trying to solve the same problem, the problem of IT management rather than users need, experience and the advance of end user computing. ChromeOS if successful is not a good idea for the future of computing, where I believe an intelligent and powerful client is needed for the advancement of user-computing interaction design. ChromsOS reenforce the idea that computing is about the web with a screen and a keyboard. Cloud computing is more than just http right?

Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by gms »

robinwauters wrote: post #39
gms wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you find it unsettling that comments you make on social sites become 'news'?

As the author, I'd be happy to have a discussion about that. In my mind, comments made on any public platform, whether it'd be on stage at a conference or on a public account of a social networking service, can constitute news if there's a clear angle.

I always thought that it was an unspoken social more to not turn comments on social sites into news. Something about it feels eerily intrusive, like overhearing a conversation at a restaurant and immediately broadcasting it to the world.

Perhaps I'm old-fashioned/alone in this view/mistaken.

Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by spot »

trezor wrote: post #17

My favourite quote from that article is the following one: Update: more from Buchheit in the FriendFeed thread: ChromeOS has no purpose that isn’t better served by Android (perhaps with a few mods to support a non-touch display). I was thinking, “is this too obvious to even state?”, but then I see people taking ChromeOS seriously, and Google is even shipping devices for some reason. I fully agree with this one, and h…

"merely a crippled Linux-distro". i am sorry you have been misinformed. please check out its security model.

Re: Paul Buchheit: Chrome OS Will Perish Or “Merge” With Android

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Post by axod »

statictype wrote: post #45
axod wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still makes an absolute ton of sense for people who only use the web. The browser on android is OK, but it's nowhere near Chrome afaics. I believe ChromeOS is going after the non-techy market of people who don't care about all the bells and whistles of android. I think both could still be successful.

It still makes an absolute ton of sense for people who only use the web. How many people do you know who only use the web?

If I wasn't a programmer, I'd only use the web.
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