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Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by vfc1 »

frafra wrote: post #40
vfc1 wrote: post #26

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AFIK extra virgin olive oil is at best neutral for human health, while other oils are detrimental. There are the chemical compounds formed with the eating of certain oils, besides olive oil has very little micro-nutrient content, it's almost 100% fat. Whole olives are a great source of plant fat, but olive oil is not. Eating the whole food is crucial, instead of these highly processed extracts. Of course, it's much b…

They are not, different oils have just different mix of different fats, determining consistence at different temperatures. Micro-nutrients are overestimated; you do not eat olives or drink olive oil because you want to get "micro-nutrients", like you would not prefer brown sugar to white sugar just because there is a very little amount of vitamins. Every substance to have a meaningful positive or negative effect has…

I too used to use olive oil every day, but now I haven't used it for years. It's one of the main sources of hidden calories in food, it's very hard to lose weight without cutting it.

One tablespoon of olive oil is 120 empty calories, no fiber, no protein and no carbs, minimal volume, almost zero satiety. Yet it has the same caloric amount as a large banana.

I don't think micro-nutrients are over-estimated, they are essential for well-being according to science. The body only needs them in small amounts, but they are essential.

I know we have been marketed for a very long time that oil is a health food, and it's a very hard thing to let go, but it's just not true.

The Mediterranean diet is healthy despite the olive oil and not because of it (due to the high amount of fruits and vegetables).

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by Konnstann »

Lazare wrote: post #38
s9w wrote: post #25

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I'm not sure I can follow. There is quite some data about vegetable oils being unhealthy, some of them being quoted by him. Why make this sound absurd?

There's a lot of data suggesting sugar is unhealthy. Fruit contains sugar, so clearly eating a moderate about of fresh fruit is unhealthy, right? This stuff is difficult to reduce to a pithy tweet.

That's not a very good analogy, given that the only reason fruit is healthy is because of all the fiber that slows down sugar absorption. If you drank the same amount of sugar in a moderate amount of fruit as juice it would be unhealthy.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by _carl_jung »

eridan2 wrote: post #50
_carl_jung wrote: post #11

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> All types of oils are not good for us, oil in general is not a health food, no even extra virgin olive oil. I don't buy this. Omega 3 is the obvious counter example, but I don't even believe that olive oil is outright bad for you.

Actually Omega 3 is bad if consumed in large quantities, AHA recommends a limit of 3 grams per day

Sure, as are all consumable things.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by cannonedhamster »

Konnstann wrote: post #52
Lazare wrote: post #38

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There's a lot of data suggesting sugar is unhealthy. Fruit contains sugar, so clearly eating a moderate about of fresh fruit is unhealthy, right? This stuff is difficult to reduce to a pithy tweet.

That's not a very good analogy, given that the only reason fruit is healthy is because of all the fiber that slows down sugar absorption. If you drank the same amount of sugar in a moderate amount of fruit as juice it would be unhealthy.

Which is kind of his/her point. You can't just say x is unhealthy because it contains y like the Twitter twit does. You have to take into account actual usage criteria in which case the entire Twitter storm falls apart because it's comparing beef and vegetables.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by pnongrata »

ageitgey wrote: post #35
aaubry wrote: post #30

I don't know why some people want vegetarian food to taste like meat. I enjoy eating meat, but the best vegetarian foods that I had did not taste like meat at all, and it is how it should be. It's like with sugar, if I want to avoid consuming it, I don't replace it with sweetener, I just don't put the sugar in and enjoy the untainted taste of the other ingredients.

> I don't know why some people want vegetarian food to taste like meat. There are lots of reasons people want vegetarian versions of meat. Here are some of the most common: 1. Still want to eat meat, but want to reduce the environmental impact of meat production. 2. Don't want to eat meat for moral/preference reasons, but still enjoy the taste of eating it. 3. Want to eat meat, but don't like the dietary impact and w…

As a complement to your list, I'd say it's more marketable AND makes the transition for some people more smooth.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by cannonedhamster »

JamesBarney wrote: post #17

I don't think anyone is arguing that these burgers are healthier than eating salmon and broccoli. Just healthier and more environmentally friendly than ground beef. His complaint is > 8/ My larger concern on both of these burgers is that - at minimum - they are HIGHLY processed products with lots of stuff that doesn't lead to healthier humans: vegetable oils, soy, protein isolates, additives, all non-organic. They ar…

He hates on it because it impacts the profits of the products he sells. That's it. Never trust someone who is motivated by profit to believe a particular narrative.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by defeomike »

geowwy wrote: post #28
anonymous5133 wrote: post #21

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Also when stacked next to a processed beef patty, Beyond Meat patties are by far healthier without a doubt.

How do you figure that?

Well, processed meat is a known carcinogen https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/general-info/kno...

Doubt these processed plant based foods are very health promoting, but we at least don’t know for a fact that they’re carcinogenic.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by cannonedhamster »

aaubry wrote: post #30

I don't know why some people want vegetarian food to taste like meat. I enjoy eating meat, but the best vegetarian foods that I had did not taste like meat at all, and it is how it should be. It's like with sugar, if I want to avoid consuming it, I don't replace it with sweetener, I just don't put the sugar in and enjoy the untainted taste of the other ingredients.

Beyond burger does not taste like meat, it's just good tasting (to my family). Impossible tastes meaty and I don't like it, nor does my family. I've been a vegetarian for over 15 years and seen veggie burgers go from hockey pucks or green mush to what we have today. The ability to use these replacements means less changes in ingredients for recipes, easier for everyone including meat eaters when planning large get togethers, and less comments when in public. Believe it or not I really don't enjoy explaining to everyone why I choose to eat the way I do, these make it easy. When you're a minority in a society, there more options to seamlessly blend into that society, the easier life is. You also seem to be in the minority of people who don't want a sugar replacement. Diet soda is popular for a reason.

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Post by cr1895 »

defeomike wrote: post #57
geowwy wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure that?

Well, processed meat is a known carcinogen https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/general-info/kno... Doubt these processed plant based foods are very health promoting, but we at least don’t know for a fact that they’re carcinogenic.

>processed meat

I'm pretty sure what they're getting at here is something like a salami or cured bacon. Not simply ground beef.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by cr1895 »

vfc1 wrote: post #32
_carl_jung wrote: post #27

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I'm not sure that the above can be summarised as "oils are not good for us". If the oil was removed from olives, the resulting olives would not be healthier. If the fish oil was removed from fish, the resulting fish would not be healthier. I'm not sure how this became a debate about vegetarianism either.

Eating the oil in its natural form, together with the whole olive, is not the same as eating the oil separately. The effect that has in your digestive system is not the same. Another example is eating fructose extract instead of a whole fruit. Eating the whole fruit does not spike your blood sugar, unlike eating the equivalent amount of fructose. Also, it does not satiate as much. Compare the satiety of eating 10 oli…

>We humans have evolved to eat the whole foods, not highly processed food extracts

You picked olives, so...what exactly is great about eating a raw, unprocessed olive?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/t...

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