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Re: Hong Kong activists wanted by police gain protection in Germany

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 24, 2019, 9:38 PM UTC

spacehunt wrote: post #45

anthuman wrote: post #38

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Wasn't the "legislative" council filled with appointees and served as an advisory role to the british governor ruling over hong kong? Where is the democracy there. Also china played around with "local" elections, doesn't mean they were/are a democracy. As for your last point, so what? Nobody is claiming china is a democracy. But neither was britain. And it's laughable that "chinese pressure" is why britain didn't all…

Of course Hong Kong is supposed to be better under Chinese rule; it's no longer a colony! I always find it amusing when people try to compare the PRC with the oppressive colonial empires as if they're on the same level... As for whether LegCo was powerless, look up the Protection of the Harbour Ordinance. It was a bill introduced not by the government but by an elected legislator, something that will never happen und…

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Re: Hong Kong activists wanted by police gain protection in Germany

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Post by anoncake » Fri, May 24, 2019, 9:43 PM UTC

anthuman wrote: post #38

spacehunt wrote: post #36

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There were Legislative Council and District/Urban/Regional Council Elections even before the Joint Declaration was signed. In fact, in the final years of British administration both the LegCo and the Urban/Regional Councils were elected by universal suffrage. Also, > ... documents recently released by the National Archives in Britain suggest that beginning in the 1950s, the colonial governors who ran Hong Kong repeat…

Wasn't the "legislative" council filled with appointees and served as an advisory role to the british governor ruling over hong kong? Where is the democracy there. Also china played around with "local" elections, doesn't mean they were/are a democracy. As for your last point, so what? Nobody is claiming china is a democracy. But neither was britain. And it's laughable that "chinese pressure" is why britain didn't all…

> Britain itself wasn't a democracy and it never allowed any of it's colonies, especially the non-white colonies, to become a democracy.

Britain does have its deficits, but by 1997 it certainly qualified as democratic by the usual standards. So do multiple of its former colonies.

> Hong kong only became "free" and "democratic" under chinese rule.

Under the rule of the PRC? Do you really believe that?

Re: Hong Kong activists wanted by police gain protection in Germany

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 24, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

spacehunt wrote: post #45

anthuman wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't the "legislative" council filled with appointees and served as an advisory role to the british governor ruling over hong kong? Where is the democracy there. Also china played around with "local" elections, doesn't mean they were/are a democracy. As for your last point, so what? Nobody is claiming china is a democracy. But neither was britain. And it's laughable that "chinese pressure" is why britain didn't all…

Of course Hong Kong is supposed to be better under Chinese rule; it's no longer a colony! I always find it amusing when people try to compare the PRC with the oppressive colonial empires as if they're on the same level... As for whether LegCo was powerless, look up the Protection of the Harbour Ordinance. It was a bill introduced not by the government but by an elected legislator, something that will never happen und…

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Re: Hong Kong activists wanted by police gain protection in Germany

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Post by paulorlando » Fri, May 24, 2019, 10:14 PM UTC

wbl wrote: post #47

anthuman wrote: post #38

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Wasn't the "legislative" council filled with appointees and served as an advisory role to the british governor ruling over hong kong? Where is the democracy there. Also china played around with "local" elections, doesn't mean they were/are a democracy. As for your last point, so what? Nobody is claiming china is a democracy. But neither was britain. And it's laughable that "chinese pressure" is why britain didn't all…

Hong Kong democracy was opposed by China. Look at the 68 riots.

Your point that Hong Kong democracy was opposed by China is a piece of history that few know. Britain wanted to introduce self-governance in the 1950s/60s but China deemed that to be a hostile act. Details: https://qz.com/279013/the-secret-history-of-hong-kongs-still...