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Deutsche Bank Says Software to Detect Money Laundering Had a Bug

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Re: Deutsche Bank Says Software to Detect Money Laundering Had a Bug

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You need to consider the larger context of this story, especially given Deutsche Bank's notorious reputation for allowing money laundering to happen under it's watch. Also, take a look at the story published last week about American Deutsche Bank executives refusing to pass along information to federal regulators regarding suspicious transactions involving the President of the United States and his son-in-law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/business/deutsche-bank-tr...

Re: Deutsche Bank Says Software to Detect Money Laundering Had a Bug

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This is news?! All software has bugs. NYTimes is taking advantage of the general public’s ignorance of this fact to imply something sinister. Without additional information - such as it specifically targeted certain transactions - that is misleading. Remember this when you read articles about subjects you are not knowledgeable about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

It seems to me as an outsider that everyone's standard for honesty has been reduced because it's an acceptable sacrifice if it means sliming the opposing political party. This has undertones of conveying that the President "got away" with this activity, which is the intended takeaway from the article.

The quality of journalism seems to have been hit hardest by this philosophy. For over a year all of us around the world have been hearing about something called a Mueller Investigation from the news media in the USA, and now despite the fact that it has cleared the President and his campaign of the allegations made, not a single media outlet has walked back the insinuations made with this style of reporting which, through lawyerspeak essentially declared him guilty without saying it outright, but close enough for it to convince the general public.

It's really unfortunate because the media has a very important responsibility. Based on the behavior of journalists that I see on social media, it seems like overgrown children are running things. One such example is a lady named Sarah Jeong who has written some really disgusting tweets on social media, and was given a relatively important position at NYT.

Re: Deutsche Bank Says Software to Detect Money Laundering Had a Bug

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If you read the original article cited by the NYT (it's in German), it is using 'bug' not in the sense that all software has bugs, but in the sense of 'basic functionality was not working'. And that should be alarming, for critical software. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=htt...

How can it possibly be both "basic functionality was not working" (high severity) and "no suspicious transactions had slipped through" (low severity)?

Pretty easy to understand if you swap what the software is detecting to "asteroids which are on impact course with earth". Basic functionality is to detect asteroids which are on a collision course with earth. The fact that no undetected asteroids struck earth doesn't mean the software worked or didn't work, nor does it mean that detecting asteroids which are on a collosion course with earth is not basic functionality.

Re: Deutsche Bank Says Software to Detect Money Laundering Had a Bug

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Bug or feature? Also, wonder how they're verifying "The bank maintained that no suspicious transactions had slipped through as a result."

1. fix bug, run through the data again or 2. get a bunch of low level analysts or interns to review all past transactions

yep, just 10 years of financial data. I'm sure they could replay that easily lol

Re: Deutsche Bank Says Software to Detect Money Laundering Had a Bug

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Financial software doesn't have bugs like web applications have bugs. In one place I worked the software was older than every person who worked in the company (from the time of punched cards) and the system had 5-9s uptime. The majority of bugs had been caught and fixed by then and to change anything in the software you had to submit a ten-page form. Plus, nobody I knew ever got to work on the actual code running the company's main business - you only got to write job running scripts and the like.

In that kind of shop a bug is a big deal.

Re: Deutsche Bank Says Software to Detect Money Laundering Had a Bug

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Subjectively it feels like NYT publishes a lot more negative articles about Deutsche Bank than about any other bank, or at least those articles get upvoted much more frequently here. Does anyone know what's up with that? I would've assumed that most banks are equally terrible.

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Re: Deutsche Bank Says Software to Detect Money Laundering Had a Bug

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post #16

This is news?! All software has bugs. NYTimes is taking advantage of the general public’s ignorance of this fact to imply something sinister. Without additional information - such as it specifically targeted certain transactions - that is misleading. Remember this when you read articles about subjects you are not knowledgeable about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

It's a bad headline and low-content article, but that's not really the point. The bug presumably made some filter for suspicious transactions ineffective, and this was detected by some sort of manual process audit. The headline should have been "Deutsche Bank fails to properly audit its money laundering detection for 10 years".

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Re: Deutsche Bank Says Software to Detect Money Laundering Had a Bug

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As someone who works at a financial institution, it's news generally because money laundering activity tends to be highly profitable for banks, since they get to collect fees on those transactions. There are almost no incentives for us to flag transactions on our own (unless we're being super humanitarian) without legislation/regulation, because as long as they get their money there's no downside except for victims o…

As an ex-consultant in the financial services sector I strongly disagree with your assessment: "there's no downside except for victims of the crimes that the money originally originated from." Why don't you detail what happens to people who get flagged by this software. Ie either send or receive suspected laundered money and what the odds are of such a flag actually resulting in a conviction. If you get "flagged", AL…

I think you misread the comment. At least, I read it as "no downside to ignore money laundering", not "no downside to crack down on it".
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