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People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by onemoresoop »

LanceH wrote: post #30
scardine wrote: post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

If you love your job, you could be getting paid less. Clearly you are taking advantage of your employer. If you hate your job, clearly you've stayed because they are offering more than any place that is better and you're taking advantage of your employer.

If you hate your job you're automatically paying yourself less in stress offset. IMO stress and meaninglessness at work is not worth any $ at all

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by Animats »

That's the startup business model. Fill them with dreams, overwork them, and discard them when the dream fails.

WeWork has a series of motivational articles to do just that.[1] That's part of WeWork's business case for charging more for their office space.

[1] https://www.wework.com/creator/personal-profiles/turn-career...

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by justfor1comment »

itsgrimetime wrote: post #32

This seems to be regularly happening in "passion" fields like human space flight, or bleeding edge tech spaces like self driving cars, medical technology, etc. For an example, just look at salaries between places like SpaceX, Blue Origin, or Virgin Galactic where total comp for a software engineer is between ~100-140K vs any FAANG company where equivalent experience will pull in upwards of ~200K TC. The disparity is…

When you can't offer salaries, offer them dreams.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by rexpop »

wesammikhail wrote: post #21
scardine wrote: post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

This is what the oppressor vs oppressed narrative will get you. A constant state of trying to identify the group that is exploiting another even when such thing does not exist.

Exploitation does not exist?

Has it ever?

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by cscheid »

When I was in a less-than-ideal job situation a few years ago, I found myself saying "... but I love my job" to a friend. I'll never forget the reply: "... you may love your job, but the job doesn't love you back". It was tough to hear it, but in hindsight I'm very thankful for that jolt.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by onemoresoop »

daenz wrote: post #19

One of the most difficult challenges for me during my career is establishing boundaries to curb when I am being exploited. I am passionate about writing awesome, powerful software, so I am willing to put in long hours and grind because I genuinely love it. However, it's important to step back now and again and look at your value more objectively from your employer's standpoint, and negotiate compensation, hours, etc…

If you have a lot of passion and overwork yourself you will still burn out. It's good to establish boundaries with yourself and take some time for other things outside your passion bubble. That will make you more productive too.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by rexpop »

LanceH wrote: post #30
scardine wrote: post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

If you love your job, you could be getting paid less. Clearly you are taking advantage of your employer. If you hate your job, clearly you've stayed because they are offering more than any place that is better and you're taking advantage of your employer.

If you love your job, but hate your politicians, and your company's investors are laundering their profits through PACs to purchase said politicians, then your employer is—perhaps not so clearly—taking advantage of you.

And you should be paid more.

Have you ever counted out how much political money comes out of your paycheck before it reaches your house?

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by nathan_long »

wesammikhail wrote: post #21
scardine wrote: post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

This is what the oppressor vs oppressed narrative will get you. A constant state of trying to identify the group that is exploiting another even when such thing does not exist.

Your comment sounds more like a soap box than interacting with the actual article.

> In one study, participants who read that an artist was strongly passionate about his job said it was more legitimate for the boss to exploit the artist than those who read the artist wasn’t as passionate. This finding extended to asking for work far beyond the job description, including leaving a day at the park with family and cleaning the office bathroom.

This is not normal and professional behavior.

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