As a German - this is really embarrassing.
Old managers, old technology, old dealer infrastructure - painted in freaking childish colors.
Really guys? That’s the best we can do...?
VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car
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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car
#52Based on th emissions scandal, I'm unlikely to ever consider a VW vehicle, period. Even though most of the auto industry is also full of dirty money grubbing scum. Not sure what the best move is, until giving it more thought I'm avoiding purchasing another vehicle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device#Timeline
Good luck finding a car manufacturer that can deliver and isn't on that list.
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#53Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…
The least expensive Model 3 in Germany is 57.900 EUR with 540km (wltp cycle) of range – part of this is that they've only been exporting the high margin long-range AWD models. The more expensive "First Edition" id.3 will have approx 425km of range for 35.000 > x Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…
Looking at Tesla Germany, Standard Range Plus is 44.5k euros, which includes partial premium interior and autopilot. The SR+ Model 3 is price competitive with Kia/Hyundai, so I'm skeptical that VW will be able to pull some rabbit out of a hat and change that.
Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
With the newer 350kW charging stations you can charge up to 80% in about 15 minutes (ie. for a Model S battery). So not much more than filling up with gas. Granted cars which support this will be available at the earliest next year.
I think you are underestimating just how much energy is in a gallon of gas. In terms of miles per hour of charging or adding gas, gas is still massively faster. Tesla says the new charging stations are 1000 miles per hour. A gasoline car that gets 25 miles/gallon, at a gas station with pumps that go at 10 gallons per minutes, "charges" at 15000 miles per hour. (10 gallons per minute is the maximum allowed in the US d…
The 1000 miles per hour figure is burst, not sustained. As the battery fills up the charge rate will slow.
There is a fire risk to charging, but there's nothing you can do about it, so it's better to exit your car.
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#55I'm completely clueless about electric engines so I was wondering if, besides range, there are other attributes one should look for in an electric car like HP and that kind of stuff? In other words, are all electric motors so similar that range is the only differentiator?
Apparently they are way out ahead- check out this report on a teardown where they also compare the tech to the competitors:
https://www.teslarati.com/teslas-model-3-electric-motor-is-a...
And he isn't gentle on his opinion where they got it wrong, so it doesn't seem to be a puff piece.
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#56After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…
Could you give more details? Was this related to the emissions scandal?
Yes. They didn't want to return their car and VW wanted everyone to return their car. So if you waited too long to return it.. you didn't get any money back. So this customer is butt hurt over getting better gas mileage and not getting a check. Entitlement.
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#57I've seen a few e-golf's charging on the streets in the past few weeks in Berlin. I assume these are pre-production models. Looks like a normal Golf aside from the charging port. From my understanding, this is a big step for VW. However, short term, they will likely have range and production capacity issues, just like Tesla did not exactly hit the ground running. I would not be surprised if this is merely a stop gap…
> Tesla could really make VW hurt by ramping up production and dropping price I don't think that's realistic. >@elonmusk >Looks like we can reach 20,000 Model 3 cars per month in Dec >11:12 PM - 2 Jul 2017 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/881757617416056832 The reality: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker//
He meant December 2018 lol
Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car
#58As a German - this is really embarrassing. Old managers, old technology, old dealer infrastructure - painted in freaking childish colors. Really guys? That’s the best we can do...?
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#59What game industry and preorders have taught us — never do any preorders until the real thing is out and first reviews start coming in.
The only regret with pre-ordering a Nissan Leaf before release was that the company Nissan hired to run the pre-orders fucked it up. People who ordered up to six months after we did got their cars months before we did.
But when we were finally given a hard date, it showed up on that date, and we've been happy with it since. The only reason I don't jump in line for the ID is because my wife and I are really hoping they build that concept van to replace the '81 VW Westfalia we've got now. They announce that for pre-order, and it's "shut and take my money" time.
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#60I'm completely clueless about electric engines so I was wondering if, besides range, there are other attributes one should look for in an electric car like HP and that kind of stuff? In other words, are all electric motors so similar that range is the only differentiator?
Range Battery Cooling technology, steer clear of air cooled Charging rates Weight Cd From my view weight is the big limiting factor in EV efficiency at lower speeds and Cd becomes more important as you increase your speed to highway numbers and higher. Engines are important as the company Munro pointed out during their tear downs. They stated that Tesla had by far the most impressive EV motor they have seen based aro…
The interesting thing is that these motors are not made by Tesla.