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Re: Amazon S3 Path Deprecation Plan – The Rest of the Story

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And even if you use encrypted DNS, the domain is still in the clear via SNI. There's an RFC for encrypting SNI, but that's not here yet.

Aren’t TLS certificates also sent in plaintext?

No longer since TLS 1.3

Re: Amazon S3 Path Deprecation Plan – The Rest of the Story

#53

Kind of tangential, but is Bezos a programmer type? I thought he came from banking or the big 4. I’m curious if the “malloc for the internet” bit is verbatim.

Great quite.

I had thought the same about his background, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos looks like he was technical at college and the first couple of years (or less) of his career.

> He graduated from Princeton University in 1986 with degrees in electrical engineering and computer science.

and

> After Bezos graduated from Princeton in 1986,... He first worked at Fitel, a fintech telecommunications start-up, where he was tasked with building a network for international trade.[28] Bezos was promoted to head of development and director of customer service thereafter.[29] He transitioned into the banking industry when he became a product manager at Bankers Trust; he worked there from 1988 ...

Re: Amazon S3 Path Deprecation Plan – The Rest of the Story

#54

Kind of tangential, but is Bezos a programmer type? I thought he came from banking or the big 4. I’m curious if the “malloc for the internet” bit is verbatim.

He got degrees in computer science and electrical engineering from Princeton. I have no idea how competent he is, but I think you can assume at least equal to the average college grad SDE.

Re: Amazon S3 Path Deprecation Plan – The Rest of the Story

#55
post #44

This is interesting for a few reasons. IMHO, the original deprecation plan was reasonable. Not generous, but reasonable. Especially compared to what other cloud providers (eg. Google Cloud) have done. It did seem like a diversion from their normal practice of obsessively supporting old stuff for as long as possible, but it really wasn't too bad. Responding to feedback, publicly, and explaining what they were trying t…

How was the original plan “reasonable”? S3’s FAQ talks about durability in terms of tens of thousands of years https://aws.amazon.com/s3/faqs/. To honor that claim, AWS has the burden to support v1 URLs until the end of the internet.

Re: Amazon S3 Path Deprecation Plan – The Rest of the Story

#56

For anyone still confused to why AWS dominates the cloud market, it's because they're willing to grandfather features with a reasonable sunset horizon.

I'd say the momentum from having no competition in the space for nearly a decade is far more impactful.

Re: Amazon S3 Path Deprecation Plan – The Rest of the Story

#57
post #53

Kind of tangential, but is Bezos a programmer type? I thought he came from banking or the big 4. I’m curious if the “malloc for the internet” bit is verbatim.

Great quite. I had thought the same about his background, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos looks like he was technical at college and the first couple of years (or less) of his career. > He graduated from Princeton University in 1986 with degrees in electrical engineering and computer science. and > After Bezos graduated from Princeton in 1986,... He first worked at Fitel, a fintech telecommunications st…

I knew I should have wiki’d it! I suppose a Princeton compsci grad would know a bit about compsci ...

Re: Amazon S3 Path Deprecation Plan – The Rest of the Story

#58
post #13
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it technically valid to issue a cert with (star).domain.com, (star).(star).domain.com, (star).(star).(star).domain.com, etc...?

No you can only have a single wildcard per domain listed in a cert.

And only as the leftmost component, that is, (star).example.com is valid, foo.(star).example.com is not.

Re: Amazon S3 Path Deprecation Plan – The Rest of the Story

#59

Still doesn't help with domain censorship. This was discussed in-depth in the other thread from yesterday, but TLDR, it's a lot harder to block https://s3.amazonaws.com/tiananmen-square-facts than https://tiananmen-square-facts.s3.amazonaws.com because DNS lookups are made before HTTPS kicks in.

What could Amazon do that would "help"?

I don't think they really want to. It's literally the biggest reason for the change (they can work around the load balancing issues) and they do not address it at all in the article.

The Internet is not what it use to be, and it's going to become more and more difficult to deal with censorship.

The Internet treats censorship as a malfunction and routes around it. - John Perry Barlow

Re: Amazon S3 Path Deprecation Plan – The Rest of the Story

#60
post #50

Kind of tangential, but is Bezos a programmer type? I thought he came from banking or the big 4. I’m curious if the “malloc for the internet” bit is verbatim.

I don't think Jeff is a programmer, but I think he is very smart and his success shows that he can understand and create businesses around lots of different types of concepts and ideas. I imagine in reality there is some amount of collaboration that happens before Bezos spouts off something like "create a malloc for the internet", but in any case, it's very strong for his brand of leadership that the lore states it c…

1.) He graduated from CS at Princeton.

2.) Only an actual programmer would know what malloc is and how it works (he knows what it is exactly since he has the idea "malloc for the web")

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