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Re: Sad as Hell

#51
post #46

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I like (or rather, dislike, but find strange enjoyment in spotting yet another instance) how ignorance of popular culture is a status symbol in some circles, to be flashed as often as possible. It's exactly what is so greatly parodied in http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mention... , down to the picture with the goatee of the typical person exhibiting this behavior. Justin Bieber, just so you know,…

I think you're reading a bit too much into two words.

Maybe I do; it would be folly for me to claim to know you, based on a few HN posts. Maybe you did mean these two words in the same way that others here inquire about a linked list or the Riemann hypothesis; with a genuine desire to be explained and to know; topics that in these circles would be considered 'Worthy' of knowing, I feel. Wanting to know about things, all sorts of things, is the quintessential trait of the Hacker, after all.

That said, the tone (as far as there can reasonably be understood a 'tone' from two words) and the upvote the post had when I posted my comment did not, prima facie, lead me to believe that the purpose of the post was to be informed about who actually Justin Bieber is. A 5 second google search would've shown more than enough to be able to understand what the GP (and following posts) are complaining about. So, all these circumstances combined, lead me to believe that there is at least a core of truth to my post, even if it's not as dramatic as spelling it out like I did makes it seem.

Then again, me making these ridiculous multi-paragraph posts on a topic that is wholly devoid of any intellectual value would probably rationally be considered indicative of me taking pride in some sort of meta-pseudo-intellectual snobbery; so am I sticking up for pop culture because for the right reasons or for vain self-gratification? Does it matter? I don't know. And I think it doesn't matter that I don't know, either ;)

Re: Sad as Hell

#52
post #35

I constantly see my peers lamenting how technology has "taken" their time and space for reflection away and have no idea what they're talking about. It may be uncool to admit but I have no trouble at all keeping my inbox to zero unread items. And I do have a social life -- less active than many, but more active than a lot of people. I even read books, actual physical things made of paper, in my spare time. How do I d…

Re.P.P.S: I've found it possible, enjoyable, and even personally enriching to strike up conversations with random people on NYC subways. I'd imagine San Francisco would be similar. Here in Tampa Bay, however, striking up a conversation on public transportation is only interesting for a mental health professional practicing his diagnostic skills. A certain concentration of interesting people is required before one can have a chance at finding one who isn't busy updating his facebook status from his phone.

Re: Sad as Hell

#53
post #29

When N+1 is good, they are really good. When N+1 hosts writers just out of college, this is what we get. It happens. This is your typical "we're special because of xyz" conceit. We all know what that is. We've all been there, and fortunately many of of have noticed and the next time is less severe. The "we're special because humans never before did x" has been around since the beginning of time, and it's always right…

You realize that your post only discusses the fashions in writing that the essay may or may not be part of and not its actual thesis, no? Personally I prefer to discuss actual reality as opposed to social reality.

my post discusses exceptionalism, a conceit which blinds us from reality by convincing us that we are different, a notion frequently addressed:

-- everything is new again just like before

-- there is nothing new under the sun ~ all is vanity

-- the only thing we learn from history is that we never learn

for a more culturally correct critique, though less direct, i.e. more metaphorical: this article is a micro-benchmark with a sample size of 1 and not having adequate controls when measuring in a noisy environment.

this is more or less a cousin of what you're saying to me. although it's humorous that you're making it as a critique of me and not of the article when in fact it and i are both painted with that brush.

and while i can just as easily make the same critique, i dispute it as a another conceit: the physical sciences' over-reliance on rationality in a universe that is not fully understood. an old philosophical problem, and one at the core of feynman's overestimated notions of superiority, brilliant as he was, he'll gladly cut down the social sciences and simultaneously provide us with high-quality tools for mass devastation.

ah, the fraternal sciences, one of whom is convinced it is no sibling, but rather the ubermensch already come.

but, yeah, that sort of micro-benchmark metaphor can be popular when misapplied to the humanities. and what do we get out of that?: economics. woohoo! i'm on fire! now, peeps, hurry with the down votes.

so, explain to me reality again, social what? ;)

Re: Sad as Hell

#54
post #5

Days seem over before they even begin, and I have nothing to show for myself other than the anxious feeling that I now know just enough to engage in conversations I don’t care about. To me, this was the most striking sentence in the article. It seems to be something that has increased from the time pop culture began to the present. Each of us probably hears more about Justin Bieber than we would ever truly care to, f…

This is entirely voluntary. For instance, I know that Bieber exists, and I can probably count on my fingers how many times I've seen pictures of him. I found the one or two songs of his I've heard innocuous and utterly forgettable - I probably couldn't identify him if I heard those very same songs again. I'm not even aware precisely why he's the go-to example of annoying celebrity, lately. I'm not utterly isolated fr…

I spend a fair amount on ITunes every month and I only recently found out that Bieber is a singer (I thought he was some internet guy). I don't know if I've heard a song of his or not.

Re: Sad as Hell

#55
post #35

I constantly see my peers lamenting how technology has "taken" their time and space for reflection away and have no idea what they're talking about. It may be uncool to admit but I have no trouble at all keeping my inbox to zero unread items. And I do have a social life -- less active than many, but more active than a lot of people. I even read books, actual physical things made of paper, in my spare time. How do I d…

I don't know if you're abnormal, but for me personally, the problem is more that there are so many things online that are interesting. It's so easy to get caught up, click another link, open another tab, or two, or ten, then spend another hour reading, or two, or the whole morning. Then at some point you realize, oops, hours have passed, I haven't done a damn thing, and yet for some reason I'm drained and exhausted.

Maybe this effect is stronger in those who remember when information was scarce, especially information on subjects that used to be obscure, like, say, programming languages. :) You instinctively try to eat up as much as possible. Except that strategy is actually harmful nowadays, because there simply is too much information on just about anything, for one person to process. That concept is easy to grasp, but it's not so easy to actually change our habits.

Re: Sad as Hell

#56
post #35

I constantly see my peers lamenting how technology has "taken" their time and space for reflection away and have no idea what they're talking about. It may be uncool to admit but I have no trouble at all keeping my inbox to zero unread items. And I do have a social life -- less active than many, but more active than a lot of people. I even read books, actual physical things made of paper, in my spare time. How do I d…

Glad to know that someone else is being human, not allowing machine to take over or Facebook to replace real friends:) Like your attitude, fully endorse it.

Re: Sad as Hell

#57
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're reading a bit too much into two words.

Maybe I do; it would be folly for me to claim to know you, based on a few HN posts. Maybe you did mean these two words in the same way that others here inquire about a linked list or the Riemann hypothesis; with a genuine desire to be explained and to know; topics that in these circles would be considered 'Worthy' of knowing, I feel. Wanting to know about things, all sorts of things, is the quintessential trait of th…

"Maybe you did mean these two words in the same way that others here inquire about a linked list or the Riemann hypothesis; with a genuine desire to be explained and to know; topics that in these circles would be considered 'Worthy' of knowing, I feel."

More likely he was pointing out to bobf, the user whose post to which he was replying, that participation in pop-culture is entirely voluntary. I think to assume that he was passing judgment on Justin Bieber fans out of some 'pseudo-intellectual snobbery' is just a little bit presumptuous.

Re: Sad as Hell

#58
post #57
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I do; it would be folly for me to claim to know you, based on a few HN posts. Maybe you did mean these two words in the same way that others here inquire about a linked list or the Riemann hypothesis; with a genuine desire to be explained and to know; topics that in these circles would be considered 'Worthy' of knowing, I feel. Wanting to know about things, all sorts of things, is the quintessential trait of th…

"Maybe you did mean these two words in the same way that others here inquire about a linked list or the Riemann hypothesis; with a genuine desire to be explained and to know; topics that in these circles would be considered 'Worthy' of knowing, I feel." More likely he was pointing out to bobf, the user whose post to which he was replying, that participation in pop-culture is entirely voluntary. I think to assume that…

Maybe, although I find that hard to read into it. From here on it's just a 'he said she said' or interpretation thing, I guess.

Anyway I'm just posting to point out that that last paragraph with the 'pseudo-intellectual snobbery' was a sneer at myself, and not at Jacques; to point out that these things are relative and that I'm not above it. Just sayin' to make it clear - like I said before, I can't presume to be able to pass judgment on Jacques as a person from a few HN posts.

Re: Sad as Hell

#59
post #24
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a great comment. All of the tools, gadgetry, and connectivity referenced by the author as the harbinger of his decline from individuality (loss of personality) do indeed usher forth his dystopia because he is using them to fill the hole that was created by his leaving the stimulating environment of college. A place where learning is efficient and discovery nil (this is what college is good for, but it isn't t…

> his her If you can't check your sexist assumptions, then you could check the byline.

Wouldn't it be just as sexist to assume that someone named "Alice" is a woman? Well, maybe not just as sexist. But at least a little bit sexist. I mean, for all we know, someone named "Alice" could be a male-to-female transgendered individual who still prefers to use the male pronoun. Or a female-to-male transgendered person who kept his original name to cut down confusion among friends, but switched pronouns.

I guess I shouldn't debate... I read the line about "... the hilarious moment 3 seconds into an intimate embrace when I realize that I'm literally rubbing the screen of my iPhone against his spine," and assumed the author was female because in my head, the "default" participants in an intimate embrace are a guy & a girl, since that's the one I'm most familiar with. So, negative points for me on the knee-jerk gender assumption front.

I thought that was a really great line, potential elicited sexism notwithstanding, by the way. I've had those moments myself. It took me a second to realize exactly what she was talking about, but once I did, I couldn't help but chortle at how much I've chided myself for the very same thing.

Re: Sad as Hell

#60

As I was reading, I was having a hard time empathizing with the author. Then I realized that I had assumed the author was male, and checked. Sure enough the author was female. I feel like maybe men experience this stuff differently. For example, take this passage. >Same with all-or-nothing friends: they’re only compelling if you talk to them all the time; when the chatty, daily interactions end so does the prospect o…

I'm male and I empathized quite strongly with the article. I have friends that I only speak to on the phone rarely, and I have that exact feeling... that we need to catch up, but since we're so out of synch, catching up is kindof boring.
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