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Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by cyphar »

primroot wrote: post #48
cyphar wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in London, but GP linked two examples (one in Macedonia and one in Italy). There are also many other examples of CIA-run extraordinary rendition[1]. However in these cases they were both done with co-operation from the local police (or military) and government as part of the US "war on terror" (abductions without local government approval have also happened in the past -- Mossad did this in the 1960s[2] -- but I…

Where is the cooperation here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case I really fail to see it.

In the second sentence:

> The case was picked by the international media as one of the better-documented cases of extraordinary rendition carried out in a joint operation by the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Italian Military Intelligence and Security Service (SISMI) [emphasis added]

A joint operation implies there was co-operation. I'm not saying the US has never conducted extraordinary rendition without local government involvement, just that the two examples aren't like that.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by fit2rule »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #50
fit2rule wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corollary: As long as he is in a maximum security prison controlled by imperial powers, the public will not be aware of the brainwashing/programming/coercion he is going to be subjected to .. Will we see the same Assange in 50 weeks? This is more than enough time for the masters of MK ULTRA to subvert his will and turn him into a puppet.

I'm trying to decide if this line of thinking is scary or wondrous.

I think its wondrous that anyone things its okay to ignore Guantanamo and the hundred other CIA black sites where this kind of activity is the norm. Its also scary.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by inflatableDodo »

Senator Joe Manchin explaining Assange's arrest, and some interesting ideas on property;

>"I understand they, I understand they intervened on our behalf.

>So we're going to extradite him and we're going to get him back, it'll be really good to get him back on United States soil.

>He's our property. So we can get the facts and the truth from him."

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1116322371781058561/video/...

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by thinkingemote »

leereeves wrote: post #36
_petronius wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole "if the accusation is real then why hasn't he been charged?" pseudo-fact relies on a rather stubborn misunderstanding of the difference between the Swedish legal system and the UK one. Assange can't be "charged" in the sense that the Anglosphere thinks of it until he is physically present for trail; that doesn't mean that the charges haven't been put to him or that Sweden isn't actively pursuing the invest…

> that Sweden isn't actively pursuing the investigation. Ecuador started arranging for him to leave the embassy at least five months ago. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/dec/06/ecuador-says-u... Why didn't Sweden have an extradition request ready? They had at least five months to prepare one.

> Why didn't Sweden have an extradition request ready

From what I recall about the situation from past threads is that Sweden cannot send extradition requests in advance. Most criminal courts don't go out of their way to break the rules as that costs and they have to justify the budget.

Also why spend extra time and money on something when they could just wait until he was under British custody? Where is the urgency when normal procedures would suffice?

The Americans went out of their way because this is a political matter to them and their budget was approved.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by hacknat »

netcan wrote: post #11
sschueller wrote: post #2

While I am saddened by this decision I hope he now is able to get proper medical care and fight the case against extradition. As long as he is not on London streets the US can't just snatch him up. [1] [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case

There may not be and extradition case. It doesn't seem like Sweden is still keen, and on balance, the US mightn't want him either at this point. It's not a guaranteed conviction. The president has an embarrassing YouTube reel where he "loves WikiLeaks" 50 times. It'll drag the contents of contentious leaks back into the spotlight. It could be more convenient to let it go.

The President can ask the DOJ to drop things, but they don't "have to" listen.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by [deleted] »

JoeSmithson wrote: post #37
yasp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Craig Murray is a former British ambassador.

And current nutjob. Check out his tweets/blogs around the time of the attempted Skripal assassination. His questioning here is clearly in bad faith. Assange successfully evaded justice on most of his charges in Sweden because they have a statute of limitations. It's not something to celebrate. The situation with Assange is all public record. Obama DoJ didn't pursue extradition, Trump DoJ did. Separately to this, Assa…

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Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by JshWright »

yasp wrote: post #25
akvadrako wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not the US, so US legal customs are irrelevant.

Right. So OP may kindly cite Swedish legal process or refrain from expressing an opinion.

Shouldn't you be the one citing the Swedish legal process...?

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by roywiggins »

wybiral wrote: post #32
netcan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There may not be and extradition case. It doesn't seem like Sweden is still keen, and on balance, the US mightn't want him either at this point. It's not a guaranteed conviction. The president has an embarrassing YouTube reel where he "loves WikiLeaks" 50 times. It'll drag the contents of contentious leaks back into the spotlight. It could be more convenient to let it go.

> The president has an embarrassing YouTube reel where he "loves WikiLeaks" 50 times. It'll drag the contents of contentious leaks back into the spotlight. It could be more convenient to let it go. But America isn't a dictatorship so the decision isn't exactly up to him. There's a whole legal system operating under their own framework that the president doesn't have much control over.

He can always issue a pardon, which would end the entire thing.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by FireBeyond »

lucideer wrote: post #29
akvadrako wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, this seems like a dishonest account of the situation. My understanding is that being "charged" in Sweden normally happens later in the process than in the USA/UK, so the fact that he wasn't "charged" isn't meaningful.

To be fair, you've nitpicked one minor detail in the above quote. The subtantive point still hands. Why is Assange not now wanted for questioning in Sweden?

He is. Even by one of your own sources, Swedish prosecutors started preparing the extradition warrant a couple of weeks ago.

Re: Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder jailed over bail breach

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Post by Ettvatre »

tomp wrote: post #41
_petronius wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole "if the accusation is real then why hasn't he been charged?" pseudo-fact relies on a rather stubborn misunderstanding of the difference between the Swedish legal system and the UK one. Assange can't be "charged" in the sense that the Anglosphere thinks of it until he is physically present for trail; that doesn't mean that the charges haven't been put to him or that Sweden isn't actively pursuing the invest…

According to your [2], more than 2 weeks ago, Swedish lawyers started preparing their case to request his extradition. Have there been any updates?

No there's no updates.

These things normally takes quite some time.

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