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Re: Sleep quality and stress level matter more than languages or practices

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I've felt this for a while, been actively monitoring my sleep for over a year and try to hit at average 7.5hr of sleep nightly. (This is what I found works best for me). I've found it helps with my mood, and my stress and also productivity. I've also found that it is possible to have the same effect of not enough sleep, by getting too much sleep.

Do you find any variance in the 7.5 hour 'sweet spot' with the seasons (assuming you have them) or with your activities?

Not much, no.

Re: Sleep quality and stress level matter more than languages or practices

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I think this is true for the most part, although poor development practices can eventually catch up to you (I once worked in a place with 5000 programmers working on the same thing and whose productivity averaged 1 line of code per day -- it can happen.. :-P ). However, while many people will rightly complain about stress in the workplace and long hours coding, I'd like to also point out that stress and lack of sleep…

> being in a bad relationship and arguing with my SO all night until it was time to go to work If that ever happened to me I'd seriously consider my life choices in the romantic department.

...you’ve never had an all night argument with your partner?

Re: Sleep quality and stress level matter more than languages or practices

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> being in a bad relationship and arguing with my SO all night until it was time to go to work If that ever happened to me I'd seriously consider my life choices in the romantic department.

...you’ve never had an all night argument with your partner?

No, never.

I've been with my current SO for over 10 years (and married) and had a couple long term relationships before that.

We've had arguments like any other couple, but never an all night argument.

Re: Sleep quality and stress level matter more than languages or practices

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The big picture is trivially true -- if you don't sleep, you die. Where's your favorite language, now? Similarly if you don't eat -- yet few people would make a rant about "food quality matters more than languages". There's still a lot of nuance. What studies there are don't negate the existence of variability either. Well, then what's the point of bringing up the subject? Taken broadly sleep is important as life its…

Given that your big picture conveniently ignores stress it is not "trivially true" after all. :-P

I intentionally left out talking about stress, but I think it's also trivially true at the big picture level, too much stress can kill you. X is true, Y is true, X and Y is also true... But stress is a much more vague and hazy notion than sleep when you get down to specifics, we have few rules of action to agree on even in principle like "get your ~8 hours of sleep (even if that involves napping) before you look at other potential boosters" and we have contradictory notions about certain types or levels of stress actually being better for you in the long run whereas chronic sleep deprivation seems to have no long term benefits.

Re: Sleep quality and stress level matter more than languages or practices

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post #46

I think this is true for the most part, although poor development practices can eventually catch up to you (I once worked in a place with 5000 programmers working on the same thing and whose productivity averaged 1 line of code per day -- it can happen.. :-P ). However, while many people will rightly complain about stress in the workplace and long hours coding, I'd like to also point out that stress and lack of sleep…

> being in a bad relationship and arguing with my SO all night until it was time to go to work If that ever happened to me I'd seriously consider my life choices in the romantic department.

That's pretty much my point ;-) At the time you think, "I have to make this work". You feel like you are failing big time and you have to try harder. You don't necessarily realise the cost of that effort. It's weird to say, "Is this really my priority?" Relationships don't always work out and that's fine. Don't let a bad relationship bulldoze the rest of your life too is what I'm trying to get at. It's great that it's never happened to you -- some people are either lucky or skilled in this area :-) Until I met the person who is my wife now, I was neither ;-)

Re: Sleep quality and stress level matter more than languages or practices

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I’ve been wondering about this WRT the 969 policy at companies in China. Why did they not immediately see a drop in productivity when implemented? Is China’s software industry making itself less competitive by not letting its workers sleep enough?

I've never heard of this 969 policy. What is it?

It's rather 996 : work from 9am to 9pm, 6 days a week.

Re: Sleep quality and stress level matter more than languages or practices

#57
Of course. This is the least controversial opinion out there and it borders on fact. Anyone who claims otherwise is an idiot or an exploiter. There's simply no substitute for sleep in any discipline or in life in general. It simply doesn't exist as far as we know. People who short themselves on sleep are self harming, often out of stupidity. I've been there as have many because it's part of our stupid work culture, but once one wises up, there's no going back. Sleep quality and stress levels matter more than anything. Period.
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