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Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by gibybo »

_red wrote: post #39
pdq wrote: post #12

Per the new lease: "Please note, customers who choose leasing over owning will not have the option to purchase their car at the end of the lease, because with full autonomy coming in the future via an over-the-air software update, we plan to use those vehicles in the Tesla ride-hailing network." Elon once again promising fully autonomous vehicles in 3 years. Also, isn't this a rental? A lease normally has a residual,…

I have yet speak to any experienced embedded developer who actually thinks "full autonomy" is remotely possible in the near/mid term. The suggestions that it is possible, seems to come mainly from junior developers and snake-oil salesman. We don't even have "full autonomous" trains, planes, or trucks yet.

"full autonomy" means lots of different things to different people.

Some people think of it as being able to drive anywhere at any time in any condition. This is unlikely to ever happen before AGI. What matters in Tesla's case is more likely being able to drive in some small number of places in specific circumstances without a physical driver in the vehicle (but possibly a remote one to handle unusual circumstances).

Now I don't think Tesla is going to even get to that in 3 years, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Waymo there.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by kristianc »

Ah, another Tesla announcement that's backtracked after a couple of weeks.

Purely as an outsider looking in it seems like there's a lot of caveat emptor about buying a Tesla: wait times seem apt to increase, models seem like they'll be arbitrarily subject to conditions, and random conditions seem to get attached about which models can and can't use chargers.

There also seems a high likelihood of waiting a long time and paying $2,500 deposit for something which never arrives. And if you do get stiffed, there seems to be an attitude of 'it's your fault' (usually for not spending even more money with Tesla).

Not the kind of consistency I'd want when making an investment in a car, to be honest.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by sagarm »

_red wrote: post #39
pdq wrote: post #12

Per the new lease: "Please note, customers who choose leasing over owning will not have the option to purchase their car at the end of the lease, because with full autonomy coming in the future via an over-the-air software update, we plan to use those vehicles in the Tesla ride-hailing network." Elon once again promising fully autonomous vehicles in 3 years. Also, isn't this a rental? A lease normally has a residual,…

I have yet speak to any experienced embedded developer who actually thinks "full autonomy" is remotely possible in the near/mid term. The suggestions that it is possible, seems to come mainly from junior developers and snake-oil salesman. We don't even have "full autonomous" trains, planes, or trucks yet.

I'm skeptical of autonomy in three years myself, but embedded engineers are hardly a convincing authority on the subject.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by toomuchtodo »

FireBeyond wrote: post #25
henryfjordan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't promise autonomous cars in 3 years, he promised they won't be ready for at least 3 years. Hence the leasing scheme

Other than the "The car will be able to self-drive, coast to coast, this year" back in Jan/Feb, you mean?

It’s not unreasonable to heavily critique the fact that Tesla deadlines are blown repeatedly, and yet who among us has gone from 0 to 300k+ vehicles manufacturer and sold per year in 12 years and delivered an EV into an elliptical orbit with a privately developed heavy lift vehicle?

Don’t say something is impossible while someone else is delivering, slowly and missed deadlines or not.

@sbov (deleted reply while I was replying)

> So are you saying Elon's statement was right? Or are you just saying "its hard, give him some slack for making statements he knows are complete bullshit"?

A pessimist’s “bullshit” is an optimist’s missed deadline and inaccurate forecasting.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by azhenley »

This article makes the change sound negative and confusing.

But reading the original Tesla announcement [1], it all seems reasonable. People were buying the Standard Plus model six times more often than the Standard model, so they got rid of it. Good.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-our-vehicle-lineup

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by Someone1234 »

twoodfin wrote: post #22
pdq wrote: post #12

Per the new lease: "Please note, customers who choose leasing over owning will not have the option to purchase their car at the end of the lease, because with full autonomy coming in the future via an over-the-air software update, we plan to use those vehicles in the Tesla ride-hailing network." Elon once again promising fully autonomous vehicles in 3 years. Also, isn't this a rental? A lease normally has a residual,…

Anyone want to lay odds on these cars ending up in a “certified pre-owned” program instead? This seems like a scheme to both boost future new car sales and effectively “sell” the same car twice.

Unless they completely replaced the cells in the battery packs, I'd pass on a pre-owned EV. Even modern battery packs degrade year on year.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by fucking_tragedy »

Twirrim wrote: post #36
danso wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s promised FSD in 2019, just a couple months ago, even though Tesla logged no testing miles in the last 2 years in California: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-full-self-drivin...

So more of the mostly deluded, same old, same old, Elon hype. There's so many indicators that FSD is ages away from being safe, and so many stories of Tesla's just randomly steering in towards barriers and needing quick action from their drivers, even as recent as last month.

> even as recent as last month.

Here's a video from a few days ago of Tesla's Autopilot seemingly getting confused by a line made out of dirt, veering off-road and crashing[1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWTMnnECBSo&t=51

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

azhenley wrote: post #55

This article makes the change sound negative and confusing. But reading the original Tesla announcement [1], it all seems reasonable. People were buying the Standard Plus model six times more often than the Standard model, so they got rid of it. Good. [1] https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-our-vehicle-lineup

Baloney. I'm sure lots of people who even wanted to buy the Standard model were put off because they never saw any actual deliveries of the 35k vehicle.
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