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Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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So: first attempt to get to the moon (by them, who are not quite USA or China) and they just fail at the very end. Like getting a silver medal at the Olympics. Yes, sad. But man!

With a population of < 3% of the USA, < 1% of China.

Not to mention 0.1% of the budget!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When is it not a terrible time to have an engine failure?

When you're floating along on a stable orbit not about to impact the surface. Or with more time to recover from the outage before landing. If it happens within the last minute (wild estimation) then you have little time to recover the lost velocity.

But you're still having an engine failure when the engine is far away from anyone that could potentially start mending it.

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It's time to retire the tired old nation-state space-race narrative. We're all in this together people. Their failure is our failure.

Agree to disagree here. The whole "we're all one people thing" is a great idea and all (I'm a huge fan, would love for the U.N. to be something other than the personification of national relations and instead be a real governing body) but that's not how things work. This is Israel's project. They had assistance from other organizations/countries, but they're not doing this to better North Korea in any real way and yo…

Disagree to agree here. It should really be how things can work. We have the opportunity and possibly the unity to get together on a vision for mankind for the first time in history. Obviously there are challenges, but if all people got to vote in their respective democraties for a global push to space - I would be surprised to not see it approved.

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

#54
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're floating along on a stable orbit not about to impact the surface. Or with more time to recover from the outage before landing. If it happens within the last minute (wild estimation) then you have little time to recover the lost velocity.

When you are floating along on a stable orbit the engines are off, so it's quite hard to have a failure in this context.

They could fail to ignite if you were attempting a burn from a stable orbit into another orbit.

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

#55

Why did they not have live video of the landing attempt? Should be double shouldn't it? What was used in the 60s to broadcast the landing?

This was an extremely low budget mission. Live video is of course doable, but probably not with the budget.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not a success this time, but a lot will be learned. These types of failures are now we learn, adapt, and move forward.

I doubt SpaceIL will be able to use anything they learned. IIUC they are out of money and can't move forward.

The prime minister of Isreal announced they'll try again in two years. So that judgment may be a little premature.

Regardless knowledge transfer isn't limited to either of those.

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

#58
post #21
post #8

So: first attempt to get to the moon (by them, who are not quite USA or China) and they just fail at the very end. Like getting a silver medal at the Olympics. Yes, sad. But man!

With a population of < 3% of the USA, < 1% of China.

To be fair the hardest and most expensive part was handled by a US company. Many small countries have put satellites up using launchers from the larger players.

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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> On the way down, the main engine cut out. The engine was successfully restarted, but then communications were cut off, and no more information was sent back. Definitely a terrible time to have an engine failure :/

then communications were cut off, and no more information was sent back. Have any of these moon landings been done at night where people have been able to watch it happening through a telescope? Or are things so small at the moon's distance that there'd be nothing to see?

Just watched the ted talk from the woman who came up with the algorithm to photograph the black hole and she had a slide of the best picture we can get of the moon from earth and she said each pixel on that picture could fit something like 600,000 oranges. don't think it's possible that we can see a spacecraft landing on the moon with what we have.

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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It's time to retire the tired old nation-state space-race narrative. We're all in this together people. Their failure is our failure.

Indeed, and the Israeli project was a new experiment in low cost, volunteer rich space exploration. Its outcome and repetition _is_ significant to everyone. Indeed, nationalistic associations distract from rather than enhance a project.

And we have a few examples of internationalism already like the ISS. And presumably any Mars mission will have to be international. Which is another one of the reasons such projects is worth while.

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