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Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox

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Do you have a list of those sites? I use Firefox as my only browser and I honestly haven't had to use chrome for anything beyond debugging web stuff on chrome. I'm sure Mozilla would be very interested in fixing any issues there are. However, most of the issues seem to be hard-coding to Chrome's nonstandard quirks, which is really a sad state of affairs. Do we really want a more cross platform IE? Because that's what…

Biggest issue for me is Twitch, HBO Now, and to a lesser extent YouTube although I've noticed issues with any site streaming video. Even on a gigabit connection and a new $2k desktop, Firefox buffers or the video just goes black and I have to refresh the page to watch for another 10-15 minutes before it happens again. Chrome never does this. I can't be the only person that's had this experience. I know I also had iss…

I remember having some similar issues with old versions. But a couple of versions after their major redesign they are all gone.

There was an issue with Youtube last year and they blamed Youtube for it, but that is fixed now too.

You can give the latest version a try.

Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox

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I'm just using firefox because it's the better browser. it's got better plugins, better settings and better performance (except in cases of google frameworks like angular, but come on, a webframework that "just so happens" to perform better on the vendors browser.."

Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox

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Actual paying users would be better than millions of users that just want to complain. At this point with so much immorality online, what browser you use is just a matter of taste.

I was a paying user (at least a donated to them) before they started breaking extensions, putting tracking in, putting DRM in, rewriting things in rust and working on crap like webasm that will make the web even more user hostile. At this point paying them to literally do nothing all do would give me a better return on investment than the direction they're heading.

I would not at all balk at paying for software that works and doesn't churn everything every 2 years. That was the main appeal to me of MacOS. There is a threshold of crappy changes to abandonment and Microsoft crossed it and Apple just mismanaged it.

Firefox doesn't bother me so much that I hate it yet. But I got to wonder if the only voices that matter were the users that actually paid for it, I would imagine the paying users would be mostly happy. That seems to be the case for commercial software that offers free beer wares on the side like Unity3D.

Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox

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Morals aside, I agree with the points made regarding key Firefox fumbles at times when Chrome was making significant inroads. Of course there are many other mistakes Firefox/Mozilla made that people have also commented on here. Over the years I saw these mistakes take place and lamented about them often. I'm just not sure that even if all these mistakes were avoided Chrome wouldn't still dominate the market, especially in the mobile space - Platform bundling is a powerful thing! As we know, even a poorly performing browser (like IE) can get a large market share when it's the default for the masses. I see a lot of non-technical Windows 10 users browsing away in Edge these days because it's there and seemingly as a bonus it works well enough for them.

I personally would like to use Firefox exclusively, but I often deal with equipment that demands Chrome whether it really needs to or not. This is especially common when it comes to IP video applications.

Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox

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I agree with your position, especially when you compare it with Safari, which is not open source in any sense. However, all the Pocket features that Firefox integrates with are (still) closed source, even 2+ years after Mozilla spent $29m acquiring them. So the person you're responding to does have some hint of a good point. Remember: - Mozilla Corporation is _not_ your friend. - WebKit is still a viable third-party…

> However, all the Pocket features that Firefox integrates with are (still) closed source All the integration code is open source. Pocket is a web service that is currently not open source. This is like saying that because Firefox uses Google Safe Browsing, that it is open source in name only because the Google Safe Browsing code isn't open source.

> All the integration code is open source. Pocket is a web service that is currently not open source.

Why are you saying things that I've already said? I think it's because there's misdirection here that will deceive anyone who isn't paying close enough attention to realize that you _aren't_ saying anything different than what I've said.

> This is like saying that[...]

This is such an intellectually dishonest argument. Google Safe Browsing is not a Mozilla-owned and operated service, nor was it ever reported that it would be open sourced. It's also little more than a hashtable of URIs. The extent to which Google Safe Browsing is "integrated" into Firefox is trivial when compared to the level that Firefox is pushing Pocket and pushing out Pocket-related features.

Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox

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I kind of agree. We can't let a single corporation drive some almost-universally-used thing like a web browser. I mean, look what an oligopolistic market did to US car manufacturers. Stifled innovation, downgraded product, the entire industry almost went under in the mid-to-late 70s.

Look at what happened when Microsoft attained near-universal presence with IE 6. Their innovation stopped, security went straight down the toilet. Of course, at that point, Microsoft also lost their edge and began losing mindshare and dominance in emerging technologies, but that's a bit beside this point.

Re: It is your moral obligation to use Firefox

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> However, all the Pocket features that Firefox integrates with are (still) closed source All the integration code is open source. Pocket is a web service that is currently not open source. This is like saying that because Firefox uses Google Safe Browsing, that it is open source in name only because the Google Safe Browsing code isn't open source.

> All the integration code is open source. Pocket is a web service that is currently not open source. Why are you saying things that I've already said? I think it's because there's misdirection here that will deceive anyone who isn't paying close enough attention to realize that you _aren't_ saying anything different than what I've said. > This is like saying that[...] This is such an intellectually dishonest argumen…

>This is such an intellectually dishonest argument.

It doesn't feel that way to me. If you don't like the article recommendations on the new tab page, you can turn them off. You can disable all references to Pocket by setting ```extensions.pocket.enabled``` to false.

You can't do much with Pocket without signing up for a login, aside from reading stories. How is that different from Edge showing stories from MSN on the home page?

Pocket related features are pretty darned minimal, too - there is no sidebar for Pocket built in, the Pocket list doesn't appear in the UI (it just redirects to the Pocket website), there is no keyboard shortcut to save pages to Pocket - there just isn't a lot there.

All that is present is a button in the address bar (that can be hidden) and in page context menus that allow users to save to Pocket. That is the extent of the integration.

So yeah, it doesn't feel all that dishonest to me.

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