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How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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You will never be able to justify the collateral intrusion that getting all the connections to a single cell site would represent. If you don't know who you're looking for then it isn't actually that much help in any case. Assuming you know that the suspect phone will have pinged a given cell site, then you still have to work out which phone it was. Assuming that they're not daft enough to use anything other than an…

I'm not sure if you read the links? The UK doesn't have the same requirements as the US. They don't have a collateral intrusion limitation. Once you have the IMEI of interest you can find everywhere it has been and every number dialled, and all DNS requests and IP transfers. You just need a dialled number which has a plan attached and you can look up the phone book entry from that persons phone (though police would n…

Yes, there is a collateral intrusion limitation. You cannot simply go on a fishing trip.

Once you have an IMEI number that you can attribute to the suspect, having exhausted all conventional means of finding the data then you go ahead and start requesting billing and cell site data.

Note, however, that this won't tell you what ip addresses have been assigned to that account.

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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post #47

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I'm not quite sure what your 'no' is specifically in reference to. I'm also not sure what a SPOC is, and I'm not familiar with the details of the process. But The Guardian reported in 2014 that "EE, Vodafone and Three give police mobile call records at click of a mouse", and in 2015 that "UK police requests to access phone calls or emails are granted 93% of the time", with rejection rates varying wildly by county fro…

SPOC = single point of contact The filtering isn't about civil liberties (although keeping councils out seems sensible) but rate limiting requests via paperwork, so only important ones get done.

What's your source for that?

Re: How London thieves exploit organisational silos

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Except once they catch him they have to charge him and then prosecute him and then house him in prison and then release him with even worse prospects then he started with, so that he can go back to stealing. I think that there is no economic gains, and there is no efficiency to be had in catching petty criminals. It is a symptom of a bigger social problem which needs to be dealt with .

so where does the line between a crime being small enough not to warrant police attention and being big enough to warrant it get drawn? seems pretty arbitrary to me

well that's easy; start at the worst crimes and make your way down until you run out of resources. The line will draw itself for you.
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