MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law

Post by anoncake » Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 8:43 PM UTC

i_am_proteus wrote: post #36

I'm not a citizen of an EU member state. But from an outside perspective, a significant number of MEPs "accidentally voting the wrong way" seems to indicate a severe and systemic problem with the European Parliament. Failure of one the fundamental mechanisms of representative democratic government calls into question the legitimacy of that government, and of that system of government. This is ammunition for the advoc…

Post by petre » Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 8:48 PM UTC

dagw wrote: post #21

riffraff wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's possible, but there are votes in different directions. It's also possible some just understood the question incorrectly or confused it with something else, not just "misclicked". Without knowing how often this happens in other votings it's hard to tell if this is unusual.

Without knowing how often this happens in other votings it's hard to tell if this is unusual. The only number I could find where between 2014-2015 [1], but in that year the average was 6.7 registered 'mistakes' pr. MEP. So it seems to happen quite often, I guess it only rarely has this big consequences. [1] https://www.europaportalen.se/2016/02/svenskt-rostvelande-st...

Post by ihm » Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 9:19 PM UTC

clarkmoody wrote: post #45

i_am_proteus wrote: post #36

I'm not a citizen of an EU member state. But from an outside perspective, a significant number of MEPs "accidentally voting the wrong way" seems to indicate a severe and systemic problem with the European Parliament. Failure of one the fundamental mechanisms of representative democratic government calls into question the legitimacy of that government, and of that system of government. This is ammunition for the advoc…

You're implying that a representative democracy is a liberal system, which does not follow. Maybe you could argue that it has the best potential to be liberal, but history is replete with examples of huge violations of individual liberties under these governments. Perhaps calling into question the legitimacy of democracy is a good thing? Indeed, why is it legitimate to violate an individual's liberties through a vote…

Post by nitrogen » Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 9:40 PM UTC

noahl wrote: post #46

dagw wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also possible some just understood the question incorrectly or confused it with something else There are a couple of explanations being floated. First of all there where two votes, not just one, and if you wanted to vote 'correctly' against A13 you had to vote NO on the first vote and YES on the second (or vice versa to support A13), The people who voted 'wrong' voted either NO to both or YES to both. Secondly a…

Yes, paying attention to detail is important. But you would never say this about an engineering system. If you had to make a series of poorly-marked binary choices in a certain order to correctly deploy a bugfix, and someone got that wrong, the postmortem would be about what a terrible UI that is and how it has to be changed to improve system reliability. An operator making an easy-to-make mistake would never be cons…

Post by justinmchase » Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 9:55 PM UTC

mrweasel wrote: post #47

netsharc wrote: post #13

I'm wondering if Article 13 is a trick. The EU is probably afraid of right-wing/Euroskeptics winning big in the coming elections. How to get the youth vote? Well, what about threatening their beloved Internet?

I've tried to read the law, but it's hard when you're not a lawyer or a politician. The sentences are weird, the words are weird and just like all other in the law making business version control is apparently magic that are not allowed to be used. Anyway, yes, I think it's a trick, but not in the way we anticipated. There's a ton of weird language about collective licensing and collective licensing management organi…