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Re: The Chinese media model

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Post by dang » Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 6:53 PM UTC

kuzehanka wrote: post #50

dang wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said "agents", which is much the same thing. The whole comment was the sort of insinuation we're asking users not to do here. I tried to explain this in the other comments I linked to. If you look at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19485935 in particular, this should be clear.

I literally said "I'm not accusing parent of being related". That is orthogonal to Confucius Institute agents being trained to use the same tactic that happened to be the most upvoted comment. I didn't insinuate parent is astroturfing or an 'agent'. I just pointed out that parent is repeating the same mindset that China wants to be repeated, it is literally in Xi's strategy outline. I am sure parent wholeheartedly ho…

The curious thing about insinuation is that negation doesn't negate it.

Consider a construct like, "I'm not saying you're a spy, but...". Saying I'm not saying something is a way of saying it.

Re: The Chinese media model

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Post by dang » Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

IntelAMDVia wrote: post #49

dang wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The submission was flagged by users. Moderators downweighted it the way we downweight all sensationalist flamewar articles (if we didn't, they would always be all the top stories on HN). But it is the user flags that buried it. Articles and sites like this one are off topic for Hacker News. We're looking for articles that gratify intellectual curiosity, not ones that gin up flamewars, let alone nationalistic flamewar…

Thank you for your responses. Unfortunately I'm not as comfortable using my primary account for responses here, so I will abstain from discussions of a political nature.

I don't mean to exclude you from such discussions! But it's important not to have accounts that are used only for that. The value of HN is intellectual curiosity. Every account should clearly be using the site for that purpose, and some purposes—like political battle, or promotional marketing—go against it.

The other thing is just that it's necessary to follow the guidelines even more scrupulously as a topic becomes more divisive. Things like "Assume good faith" are our lines of defense against the forum destroying itself.

Re: The Chinese media model

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Post by kuzehanka » Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 12:33 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #51

kuzehanka wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally said "I'm not accusing parent of being related". That is orthogonal to Confucius Institute agents being trained to use the same tactic that happened to be the most upvoted comment. I didn't insinuate parent is astroturfing or an 'agent'. I just pointed out that parent is repeating the same mindset that China wants to be repeated, it is literally in Xi's strategy outline. I am sure parent wholeheartedly ho…

The curious thing about insinuation is that negation doesn't negate it. Consider a construct like, "I'm not saying you're a spy, but...". Saying I'm not saying something is a way of saying it.

You are outright failing or refusing to see that the narrative laid out in the comment made no insinuation, explicitly disavowed insinuation, and instead highlighted an alarming parallel. You seem to be the only one having this issue since the other replies to that comment did understand the narrative and din't read it as a shill accusation.

I hope this is in fact a misunderstanding on your part and not reflective of a broader bias.