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Matrix 1.0 – Are We Ready Yet?

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Re: Matrix 1.0 – Are We Ready Yet?

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Post by johntash »

nicklaf wrote: post #50
Gigablah wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want messages to span the entire screen? https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/108801/what-is-the-be...

Because: window managers! http://i.imgur.com/4K0pa6m.jpg That said...I must confess that irssi uses a non-trivial amount of margin space as well!

I think some developers either only have one window open at a time, or always use fullscreen/maximized windows. There are so many things that are just difficult to use when windows are tiled to fit ~4 things on one monitor.

Re: Matrix 1.0 – Are We Ready Yet?

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Post by amiraliakbari »

zaarn wrote: post #45
dboreham wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matrix isn't really decentralized. It's federated.

Federation is a form of decentralization.

No, decentralization is invented alongside the blockchain and nothing without a blockchain is decentralized. :)

Re: Matrix 1.0 – Are We Ready Yet?

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Post by Perceptes »

fro0116 wrote: post #8

I had a pretty positive view of Matrix until I came across this post and the follow up responses from the developer behind an unofficial Matrix server implementation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19365968 I'd say tread carefully given their apparent hostility towards competing server implementations, which is literally the only thing that makes the protocol meaningfully "federated" to begin with. This part in…

I'm the original creator of Ruma, another homeserver implementation, and our project has received nothing but support and appreciation from the Matrix team. It's true that Synapse is the only homeserver that is in a "finished" state, but that has more to do with Matrix being young, the spec still needing work (although it's come a long way recently), and the lack of time and resources to complete such a big project if it's not your full time job.

Re: Matrix 1.0 – Are We Ready Yet?

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Post by tannhaeuser »

I'm not very much into chat apps and protocols, but isn't it possible to just revive XMPP? Ten years ago we used Adium and Pidgin, and federated chat seemed like a solved problem. I understand XMPP with its extensions and use of XML fragments might be complex, but it sounds like matrix or another new protocol isn't easier. In a way, those willing to invest time into F/OSS chat apps have done the best they could with XMPP, and creating a new community around a protocol for no good reasons seems like a wasteful thing to do. XMPP folks shouldn't stop using it just because of Google's kiss of death.

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Post by speedplane »

Arathorn wrote: post #21
fro0116 wrote: post #8

I had a pretty positive view of Matrix until I came across this post and the follow up responses from the developer behind an unofficial Matrix server implementation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19365968 I'd say tread carefully given their apparent hostility towards competing server implementations, which is literally the only thing that makes the protocol meaningfully "federated" to begin with. This part in…

I'm the project lead for Matrix (and CEO of New Vector, the company which hires most of the core Matrix team) and can try to clarify this. 1. We don't have any hostility to alternative server implementations; it would be utterly idiotic to sabotage the project by doing so. Instead, we promote them, even when they're written by people who for whatever reason have issues with the project. For instance, if you look at h…

Matrix is a fantastic project. As the technology matures and becomes more useful, I hope there will be a large push to formalize the organization and bring in other stakeholders. As I'm sure you know, Matrix will not be able to get off the ground by itself, it'll need institutional buy-in from corporations and existing tech companies. Hope there is a plan for that type of out-reach.

Re: Matrix 1.0 – Are We Ready Yet?

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Post by feanaro »

fro0116 wrote: post #8

I had a pretty positive view of Matrix until I came across this post and the follow up responses from the developer behind an unofficial Matrix server implementation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19365968 I'd say tread carefully given their apparent hostility towards competing server implementations, which is literally the only thing that makes the protocol meaningfully "federated" to begin with. This part in…

I'm one of the people in that thread and I'm unconvinced by Jason's insinuations regarding the hostility of the New Vector team. From everything I've seen, interoperability and federation is extremely important for New Vector. The fact that Matrix is a rather innovative and semi-research project has to be taken into account.

For instance, here[1] is the github thread on verifying event hashes which he refers to in that HN thread. From what I can see, he notes some of his (insightful!) thoughts on the matter, nothing but a civil discussion ensues, with parts of his suggestions getting implemented and others being worked on.

[1]: https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/1252

Re: Matrix 1.0 – Are We Ready Yet?

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Post by speedplane »

Animats wrote: post #31

The home page gives no clue as to what "Matrix" is. It seems to be yet another "federation" system. Is this worth any attention?

> It seems to be yet another "federation" system. Is this worth any attention?

In the current internet environment of walled gardens and a siloed and decimated internet, any federation system is worthy of attention.

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