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Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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Plausible. Rfid or some other pingable ID marker. You'll still get a fight about something physically visible though. Too much Jew with a gold star connotation.

Kind of an interesting connection there, hard to say that having a marking on your burqa somehow makes it more obvious you're a Muslim. Would be weird to walk around with a licence plate style identifier though, since anyone could scan it and follow you rather than just someone with a massive facial recognition database. honestly the thing I don't like about facial recognition is that it could somehow become mandator…

It becomes mandatory and the "social credit" system follows shortly thereafter.

You stop being an individual and become a cog in the national machine.

Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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"an array of tiny infrared LEDs wired to the inside of a baseball cap" I had that idea some years ago, but using instead big powerful IR LEDs around a hat or cap to create a sort of white halo around the entire head. Never tested it...

I built one years ago too. The issue is that many cameras nowadays have IR filters on them.

Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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This is going to lead to a great episode of British political theatre. The burqa is an effective counter measure. Full body, with a mesh eye opening. The UK is either going to have to ban the burqa in public, at the price of being called an islamiphobic nation. Or continue to allow the burqa, and watch as it becomes the new cartoon criminal outfit, and acknowledge that The Government has established policies favorabl…

The burqa is extremely unpractical to commit crimes, since actual visibility is very limited in practice. It’s akin to horse’s blinders. This is why it’s pretty unpopular even with Islamic women, who tend to prefer headscarves, even if they take longer to set up at first.

Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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post #35

This is going to lead to a great episode of British political theatre. The burqa is an effective counter measure. Full body, with a mesh eye opening. The UK is either going to have to ban the burqa in public, at the price of being called an islamiphobic nation. Or continue to allow the burqa, and watch as it becomes the new cartoon criminal outfit, and acknowledge that The Government has established policies favorabl…

What about allowing burqas, but requiring a "license plate" to be affixed?

How would you verify the person in the burqa is the licensee?

Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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The fundamental issue with all surveillance mechanisms is that it's the exact opposite of foundational legal principles like presumption of innocence. [1] If anyone or everyone could be guilty of something if only they were caught in the act, and if judges accept such evidence as prime and override any suspicions that these are beyond reasonable doubt and ignore the fact that these could have error rates or be completely falsified, [2] then law enforcement and prosecution wouldn't have to work hard. It's questionable if law enforcement really works hard in any country and does what it's expected to by the common people; it seems to be a continuous power game (and power grab) in many places where law enforcement is becoming more and more militarized.

Biometric and behavioral recognition, profiling and tracking will turn all democracies into namesakes and into dictatorships where people will always self-censor because they don't want to get into any trouble. There is a bigger chance that more (not all) activists will be marginalized and silenced through different means. That would be a tragedy for everyone. "Nothing to hide" would seem like a cruel joke that thoughtless people of the past played on the future.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

[2]: Even routine evidence collected and processed today could have error rates or be falsified, but there seem to be trends where technology is perceived as being infallible, and is trusted completely on first sight.

Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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Here's a pet peeve of mine: The critique of increasing mass surveillance focuses too much on technological problems and abuses by individual humans. A fully-functioning, automated surveillance society with minimal potential for abuse by individual police etc. would be much worse than the partially-working systems we have now. A surveillance society is the antithesis of a free, democratic society. The underlying assum…

I'm not a psychologist, but I'd imagine treating people as if they will do no good (unless surveilled and controlled so that they have no option but to behave in the manner which the surveillors/controllers wish them to) will foster a mindset that society is not something people would choose to build themselves without oversight. Because if they would, then why do we need all the cameras and security?

Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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post #35

This is going to lead to a great episode of British political theatre. The burqa is an effective counter measure. Full body, with a mesh eye opening. The UK is either going to have to ban the burqa in public, at the price of being called an islamiphobic nation. Or continue to allow the burqa, and watch as it becomes the new cartoon criminal outfit, and acknowledge that The Government has established policies favorabl…

What about allowing burqas, but requiring a "license plate" to be affixed?

Serious comment: We all carry around a license plate almost all the time - your phone. The data harvested by your phone (all of which is accessible to authorities) provides a complete history of you (ref. intended), where you've been, who you've met, and a proxy for what you're thinking about.

How long before it's mandatory to carry one?

Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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Here's a pet peeve of mine: The critique of increasing mass surveillance focuses too much on technological problems and abuses by individual humans. A fully-functioning, automated surveillance society with minimal potential for abuse by individual police etc. would be much worse than the partially-working systems we have now. A surveillance society is the antithesis of a free, democratic society. The underlying assum…

can a democratic society vote itself into a dictatorship? what if some citizens want to subvert democracy and liberal social norms, but do so democratically? democracy is a discussion of ideas. it is your job to convince people that freedom is advantageous to global governance or that they can be combined.

with freedom you will get fracture and economic decline, conflict and instability. with global governance you will get a monopoly on stable world trade and endless economic and civic prosperity, as the best ideas will be rapidly adopted by the most number of people, ensuring benefit for all generations of mankind yet unborn.

what if it turns out that your perception of freedom is not maximal freedom unless people freely choose it? and if they abandon it (for what you might consider a type of mental slavery) to a dynamic but perpetual system of control-information with new benefits far outweigh any negative consequences, like the ability to understand all preceding human knowledge in one lifespan or avoid all disease and aging related problems.

humanity once we reached the age of writing, became the game of convincing other people to think and act alike. i cant think of a more illiberal and limiting idea than what i am doing right now - forcing my words into your head - yet this is the structure upon which everything we see has been built.

you will find yourself in an increasingly marginalized position, and eventually your views will be silenced, as they should. you may be civilized, but barely register as a barbarian for what is to come, which will take yet more centuries to unfold.

(28m42s) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TQZ-2iMUR0

Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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post #43

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What about allowing burqas, but requiring a "license plate" to be affixed?

How would you verify the person in the burqa is the licensee?

Same way you verify if the person driving a car is the owner. They're legally responsible for the vehicle unless they can prove they weren't at the wheel.

But the real question is, why do you need to verify the person in the first place, unless they are suspected of committing a crime?

Re: Hacking your face to dodge the rise of facial recognition tech

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Most modern checkout experiences can identify you with very high accuracy sans-camera, so I doubt it.

What percentage of shoppers are already carrying the store's loyalty card and are willingly presenting it at the checkout? What percentage of shoppers have the store's app loaded on their smartphone and carry that willing around too?

I went to the mall last week for the first time in ages. About half of the directories were replaced with signs telling you to install the Westfield shopping app, for "TURN BY TURN DIRECTIONS" through the mall. Like, really? There are only 2 walkways through the mall...
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