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Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

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Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

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Post by importantbrian »

kazinator wrote: post #44
n8henrie wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that they didn't actually eat more eggs / cholesterol, but some other factor that makes people statistically significantly more likely to have CVD and die also makes people more likely to falsely report egg / cholesterol consumption?

An obvious factor to look at among the subjects would be body fat level. Maybe many of those who consumed more eggs or cholesterol simply just ate more. If the study simply tracked calories, maybe calories would be found to be correlated with CVD risk. Problem with that, you can't really track what some people eat for 30 years.

100% this. They don't control for lean mass or anything like that, so it's hard to say if it's the cholesterol or simply overeating that is the problem. I want to see a study where Calories and Macros are held the same but one group eats more cholesterol than the other and see what those results look like. Sadly those kinds of studies are very hard to do in the nutritional space.

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

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Post by importantbrian »

the_gastropod wrote: post #46
theprotocol wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also wanted to say in my last comment that most government endorsed diets only recommend limiting added sugar. Also, much of that bro-science is now being promoted by many MDs and there's a good chance you'll see some of it become officially adopted in the coming years (and I say this as someone who sees this as a pendulum swing instead of adopting what we learned moderation).

Yes. Dr. Atkins was singing this tune in 1989. Then after having several heart attacks, he died 14 years later of another heart attack.

So, even if this was true, the plural of anecdote is not data. His heart disease could have been the result of genetic factors or a number of other factors not related to his diet. There is also no guaranty he was taking his own advice. Dr. Atkins had one heart attack and it was caused by an infection. The thing that killed him was traumatic brain injury as the result of a fall.

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Post by have_faith »

nightski wrote: post #6

Oh great, another one of those bs self reporting nutritional studies over super long periods of time. 17.5 years and they only followed up once from what I can tell. Can you accurately report what you ate over the last 17.5 years? Even over the past week can be difficult as I realized when I started tracking my food in MyFitnessPal. Unless consistently tracking, it's pretty easy to be very far off from what you actua…

A single follow up 17.5 years later and then just asking what people ate? I can't even believe the premise made it to the stages of doing the study. Is there ANY value in conducting a study framed in this way? Is any of the data reliable at all? Someone might say it's not possible to get accurate measured data over that time span, but that doesn't mean it's right to get junk data instead.

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

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Post by the_gastropod »

importantbrian wrote: post #53
the_gastropod wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Dr. Atkins was singing this tune in 1989. Then after having several heart attacks, he died 14 years later of another heart attack.

So, even if this was true, the plural of anecdote is not data. His heart disease could have been the result of genetic factors or a number of other factors not related to his diet. There is also no guaranty he was taking his own advice. Dr. Atkins had one heart attack and it was caused by an infection. The thing that killed him was traumatic brain injury as the result of a fall.

> A medical report issued by the New York medical examiner's office a year after his death showed that Atkins had a history of heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension.[10][12] His widow refused to allow an autopsy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Atkins_(physician)

My point was mainly that there have been out-of-the-mainstream doctors advocating for this diet for 3 decades. They continue to be out-of-the-mainstream.

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Post by uhtred »

crushcrashcrush wrote: post #55
uhtred wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about fruit?

Largely fruit has too much sugar. Berries are okay (blue and black and red)

What! I surrender. Are people really not eating fruit because of the carbs? Oh my. It's fruit! One of the healthiest snacks you can have!

Re: Associations of Egg Consumption with Cardiovascular Disease and Mortality

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Post by the_gastropod »

nightski wrote: post #50
theprotocol wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also wanted to say in my last comment that most government endorsed diets only recommend limiting added sugar. Also, much of that bro-science is now being promoted by many MDs and there's a good chance you'll see some of it become officially adopted in the coming years (and I say this as someone who sees this as a pendulum swing instead of adopting what we learned moderation).

Speaking of bro-science, added sugar is chemically equal to naturally occurring sugars and you can't discriminate against one with out the other (either it's healthy or it is not). Hint: It's not. That fruit may have vitamins, but they are basically embedded in a candy bar nutrition wise. Actually, it's worse than a candy bar because it lacks protein and fat which keep you satiated.

Humans evolved to crave sugar for a reason. It's not bad for you. But, as with anything, too much is absolutely bad for you. Fruit has this really great built-in mechanism for stopping you from eating too much: fiber. Added sugar (or removed fiber, in e.g., juice) makes it easy to exceed the healthy amount.
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