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Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees
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Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You should also assume all of your traffic while at the office I fell out with my manager at FANG and she got back at me with the lowest rating possible for the year-end review. I chose to get my concerns across to HR about how this was unfair and challenged them to validate her critical feedback with peer engs. Didn't happen. Instead what followed was, I was investigated for violation of company rules such as putt…
Remember the following: HR is not your friend. HRs duty is to the company. If what you need and what the company needs are on the same page, sure, HR is on your side, but if not, they will do whatever it is that benefits and protects the company.
This seems to be a US thing. Worked in HR departments across several European countries. Obviously, HR’s duty is first and foremost to the company. It’s the same for everyone else in the company (to whom else should it be?! [1]). HR is chasing managers for policy adherence as much as it is chasing employees. At least in the companies I’ve seen, managers are typically even more so in the crosshairs of HR because they are supposed to enforce company policies at the frontline. Obviously, this breaks down if you talk about Board-level executives where the Supervisory Board will be involved more strongly.
If there are problems between employees and managers, HR should try to mitigate along company policy, where typically the first step would be to get the facts on the table.
Potentially this is lived more strongly in Europe, where employees have pretty powerful means after a dismissal to receive severance in case of any wrongdoing of the company
[1] and yes, it should be first to yourself but that’s the same for HR
Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Remember the following: HR is not your friend. HRs duty is to the company. If what you need and what the company needs are on the same page, sure, HR is on your side, but if not, they will do whatever it is that benefits and protects the company.
This seems to be a US thing. Worked in HR departments across several European countries. Obviously, HR’s duty is first and foremost to the company. It’s the same for everyone else in the company (to whom else should it be?! [1]). HR is chasing managers for policy adherence as much as it is chasing employees. At least in the companies I’ve seen, managers are typically even more so in the crosshairs of HR because they…
I don't know, I worked for a large UK multinational and if you saw HR about then you generally knew someone was in trouble - their role appeared to be purely damage limitation.
On the plus side they took no interest in hiring.
Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees
#54Tesla is anti union. Tesla spies on employees. Why do I see a nexus here?
The thing is, unions were anti-Tesla first. And there are very good reasons for that
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-electromobility-j...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-ford-motor-union/as...
Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m sorry to hear that. On that note, it seems almost impossible to not use company equipement to look at things which may not be strictly work related such as news, new tech, websites, the occasional Youtube comedy clip. Seems inhuman to have such strict rules which only serve as a way for the company to kick people out when they moment is opportune.
> it seems almost impossible to not use company equipement Why? Just don't do it. If its not work related, stop. If you need to kill some time to stay sane, get up and take a walk to do whatever on your device. I've worked at places where the computer that I used was connected to the production network. It was not connected to the internet at all which meant no email. To get to email, we had to log into a remote syst…
> Just don’t do it. If its not work related, stop.
I see where you’re coming from. I personally don’t use work computers for anything other than work related matters. However, I also know that this is not typically how work computers are used. Some people watch Netflix or Youtube clips during lunch. While I’m aware that there are secured environments where certain services are blocked due to security requirements (as they should be), many people work in environments where streaming Youtube or Netflix is not a security concern.
To get back on point, I think the issue of browsing while at work is one having to do with being reasonable: if employees choose to browse while at work then they should do so in a way which is reasonable to others. Looking at the odd Youtube clip here and there after someone brought it up in conversation is reasonable (assuming the content is Sfw, but that’s a whole other discussion). I listen to music while programming, using Apple music and Spotify. I know other people who use the Youtube streaming service.
Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You should also assume all of your traffic while at the office I fell out with my manager at FANG and she got back at me with the lowest rating possible for the year-end review. I chose to get my concerns across to HR about how this was unfair and challenged them to validate her critical feedback with peer engs. Didn't happen. Instead what followed was, I was investigated for violation of company rules such as putt…
Would you be able to name and shame? Which FANG is this?
It might be enough to know it was one of the four. The next time a recruiter calls from any of them, it'd be worth asking them about this and what policies they have to protect engineers from abusive management. If enough engineers express concern, a policy change may come down the line.
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#57In the Elon Way of Thinking, unless you 100% agree on everything and drink the cool aid and roll with rapid reversal of logic giving you whiplash, you are against the mission, and thus the enemy. Since everyone can one day disagree, and thus is potentially the enemy, the conclusion is we must spy on all internal and external entities; and when they disagree with anything, for instance, wanting a better workplace, que…
He makes electric cars and spaceships, of course there will be people like you who find a reason to hate him. The contrarians who should just be ignored and brushed away as annoying little squeaky voices as the future drifts further and further away from their ignorant tiny little brains
Lots of people could make electric cars and rockets ("spaceships" lol) if they were handed 10s of billions in investor funds and government subsidies. It's really not that special of an accomplishment.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This is not a tip about Tesla watching what its employees are doing on its own equipment and data networks. I'm curious about details on this. Modern phones (well, iPhones at least) are pretty hard to break into. I wonder if it was something like having them install a root certificate to use the company wifi, then using that root cert to spy on other traffic traversing the network (such as leaks to reporters)
A statement from the whistleblower's attorney said Tesla had hired former members of Uber's intelligence team (that had been spying on drivers, regulators, and competitors a while back) and referenced a proposed settlement agreement for the wire tapping & corporate espionage charges that outlines the tactics (allegedly) used by Uber.[1] It also mentions Tesla installed "specialized router equipment within its Nevada…
>It also mentions Tesla installed "specialized router equipment within its Nevada Gigafactory designed to capture employee cell phone communications and/or retrieve employee cell phone data."
I might be not using the right term but sounds like a... stingray? (Well, some sort of cell site simulator)
Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
He makes electric cars and spaceships, of course there will be people like you who find a reason to hate him. The contrarians who should just be ignored and brushed away as annoying little squeaky voices as the future drifts further and further away from their ignorant tiny little brains
Lots of people could make electric cars and rockets ("spaceships" lol) if they were handed 10s of billions in investor funds and government subsidies. It's really not that special of an accomplishment.
Nope, not true, completely full of it.
Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lots of people could make electric cars and rockets ("spaceships" lol) if they were handed 10s of billions in investor funds and government subsidies. It's really not that special of an accomplishment.
Nope, not true, completely full of it.
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