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Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by md5person »

majewsky wrote: post #48
md5person wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? Would you say the American people are "jerks" because Trump was voted into power? That's not how any of this works.

That's a very obvious strawman. If you downsize it to the level that GP alluded to, asking if Trump's voters are jerks because they voted him into power, I guess a non-negligible amount of people would agree.

Have you read tootie's comment at-all?

> "You can't say your PM is a jerk, but not the people because the people voted for him (or at least his party)."

No, it's not the people. It's some people that voted Likud in. Much like some Americans voted Trump in. Where's the strawman?

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by [deleted] »

bhouston wrote: post #8

Interesting fact, Mellanox is an employer of Palestinian programmers in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. Sort of a mixed blessing, cheap labor without other options because of the occupation, but real opportunities and a more educated and well off population will be more effective at advocating for its rights: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/palestinian-hig...

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Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by dotancohen »

mruts wrote: post #37
dotancohen wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the spin you put on it. Palestinian programmers make no less than Israeli programmers in the Israeli high technology sector. In fact, that goes for all jobs in the Israeli high-tech sector, from PMs to HR, CTOs. Furthermore, Palestinians in the West bank regularly talk to me about their situation, because I'm what you would call a "settler" and I buy in their towns, and I pick them up hitchhiking, and I talk t…

I'm palestinian and have family in the West bank and Gaza. What you're saying isn't true at all. Funnily enough, I also have family in Jordan. Let me tell you, their lives are much better than those under Israeli occupation.

I would appreciate your perspective. I'm sure that many posters here would as well.

Another poster here did mention that the fine article mentions that Mellanox can hire three Palestinians for the price of one Israeli. That is not typical of the Israeli high tech sector. It _is_ typical of some other labour markets, notably building and agriculture.

Note that I'm specifically referring to the West Bank. I'm sure that the situation in Gaza is so much worse that in my worst dreams I cannot imagine it. From where are your family? I'm in Eshkolot, in the south Hebron hills, right next to Al-Ramadin.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by nabla9 »

dotancohen wrote: post #27
bhouston wrote: post #8

Interesting fact, Mellanox is an employer of Palestinian programmers in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. Sort of a mixed blessing, cheap labor without other options because of the occupation, but real opportunities and a more educated and well off population will be more effective at advocating for its rights: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/palestinian-hig...

I love the spin you put on it. Palestinian programmers make no less than Israeli programmers in the Israeli high technology sector. In fact, that goes for all jobs in the Israeli high-tech sector, from PMs to HR, CTOs. Furthermore, Palestinians in the West bank regularly talk to me about their situation, because I'm what you would call a "settler" and I buy in their towns, and I pick them up hitchhiking, and I talk t…

If you reflect a little, I'm sure that you can backtrack that claim that only 1% of Israelis and Palestinians have qualm with each others. Every country has more bigots than 1%.

If you look at Israeli public opinion polls from past ten years or so, you get very different view. 30% feel hatred when they hear Arab spoken in the street, 50% say they would refuse to work at a job where direct supervisor was an Arab.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by drewg123 »

dogma1138 wrote: post #7
penagwin wrote: post #3

I only know of Mellanox for their 10 gigabit ethernet cards. Does anybody know if this is a good or bad thing for Mellanox?

One out of only 2 vendors for InfiniBand which is quite important for HPC especially in the Top 500. They also have some sort of a parallel VLIW CPU architecture that they've been trying to get off the ground for a while now called TILE/TILE64 so that might also play into things. However since NVIDIA opened their offices in Israel a while ago they might simply be looking for an acquihire since Mellanox is a fabless s…

I hope that it is more than an aqui-hire.

Mellanox has driven IB speeds for more than a decade, limited only by PCIe bandwidth. Since they've had NICs that do both IB and Ethernet, they've been driving the ethernet market as well. We've been using their 100G adapters since 2015 (when they were first to market by a big margin). Even today, there are only a handful of vendors that can deliver a 100g NIC. I worry that if Mellanox stops driving port speed, we'll see a slower increase in the speed of NICs due to the lack of competition (eg, 400g will take longer..).

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by dotancohen »

mruts wrote: post #38
navlelo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is quite interesting. This is not at all how this is portrayed in the media. Would be cool to hear from a palestinian living there as well

I am palestinian and have family in the West bank and Gaza. And what OPs saying isn't true at all. They are an occupied and oppressed people, treated like dirt and without representation. Gaza is literally a concentration camp that is extremely hard to get out of. Moreover, the Israelis block imports of food and building supplies, essentially trying to starve the inhabitants to death. What OP is saying is similar to…

I'm the OP, and I agree that the situation in Gaza is beyond reprehensible. I see where Gaza is today, I see how it got there and the Israeli / Egyption hand in it, and I only wonder if it could have worked out differently.

I wonder if it can even ever be resolved.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by deogeo »

fxfan wrote: post #30
dotancohen wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the spin you put on it. Palestinian programmers make no less than Israeli programmers in the Israeli high technology sector. In fact, that goes for all jobs in the Israeli high-tech sector, from PMs to HR, CTOs. Furthermore, Palestinians in the West bank regularly talk to me about their situation, because I'm what you would call a "settler" and I buy in their towns, and I pick them up hitchhiking, and I talk t…

That and the fact that while Israel is blamed for everything, nobody ever mentions how Palestinian children are poisoned with anti-israel rhetoric.

Occupy their land, then accuse them of hate.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by ktpsns »

Interesting. Since Mellanox is a big player in the HPC world, this means Nvidia wants to get more serious there. Due to Nvidia's bad Linux support and pricing (compared to AMD), I know quite a number of academic computing centers which like Mellanox hardware but avoid Nvidia hardware like the plague.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by arcaster »

gigatexal wrote: post #2

How bad is it that Intel didn't win?

Not that bad - intel already has an arguably strong networking department and recently purchased Altera for their FPGA tech. This is why above comments mention the benefits of nVidia purchasing Xilinx - one of the only other serious producers of cutting edge FPGA hardware - which happens to be what makes or breaks most high-throughput networking tech.

Re: Nvidia to Acquire Mellanox for $6.9B

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Post by opencl »

dogma1138 wrote: post #7
penagwin wrote: post #3

I only know of Mellanox for their 10 gigabit ethernet cards. Does anybody know if this is a good or bad thing for Mellanox?

One out of only 2 vendors for InfiniBand which is quite important for HPC especially in the Top 500. They also have some sort of a parallel VLIW CPU architecture that they've been trying to get off the ground for a while now called TILE/TILE64 so that might also play into things. However since NVIDIA opened their offices in Israel a while ago they might simply be looking for an acquihire since Mellanox is a fabless s…

The last new TILE architecture chip shipped over 5 years ago and Linux dropped support for the architecture completely last year.
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