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Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

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Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

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Maybe his kids are doing well because he has a lot of time to be a great dad and coach them? Life happens. Shit happens. Kids happen. Enjoy the ride and don't terrify yourself about money or what your life should look like. We all get 24 hours a day on the planet and from a long term perspective, almost nothing of what we do really matters. Maybe by moving boxes instead of schlepping in a lab for some deranged sociop…

I really loved your comment, all except for: >from a long term perspective, almost nothing of what we do really matters. So what? Yeah, in the long run we're all dead, so what? I imagine someone walking up to you, punching you in the face, and if you object, saying "Woahh! Calm down. From a long term perspective, almost nothing of what we do really matters. Don't you understand?" The things in peoples' lives matter p…

OP here. The thinking that on very long time scales Earth doesn't matter doesn't bring me solace. In fact it's depressing. finding meaning in my travails is important to me... As you say, what else is there?

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#52
Every time there's a recession, people get laid off and can't find work. After 6 months, 9 months, stocking shelves or bagging groceries starts looking pretty good. Pro Tip: don't mention your advanced degrees when you apply for the job.

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#53

There was a survey in Silicon Valley some years ago that showed that this kind of fear goes pretty far up, plenty of millionaires fear falling off the gravy train. I do my family's grocery shopping, and I have several times noticed new clerks at the checkout, men in the 40-65 age range who are a little too well dressed -- very nicely ironed and starched white shirts, fashionable ties and watches. They seldom become f…

I'm the OP. I'm CEO of a small biotech company. I'm terrified, constantly, of falling of the ladder, and never again be trusted to do anything of value again. I worry that I won't be young much longer and if this one doesn't go out of the ballpark then it's game over. I'll be at Trader Joe's bagging your groceries. Edit: Began as EE, hence my connection to HN . There isn't anything close to this community anywhere el…

Are you in Silicon Valley by any chance?

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#54
I once had an accomplished scientist apply to a customer support role in my company.

The reason she applied for an $18 p/h role was simple: burnout. She'd been burnt out on long hours of grinding research and wanted something that allowed her more flexibility.

I gave her a shot, but she genuinely wasn't a good fit for the role.

In the end, she took a course on coding and is now doing quite well as a back-end developer in the Bay Area.

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#55

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And so the truth is laid bare. Capital > humanity This is why people is not free to move where they can find the most benefit, but capital is. Priorities.

You could equally interpret that as character > money, like I did. And take heart that $ can't buy everything.

Ok, who at the what?

Character can't conjure a peanut butter sandwich or rent for an apartment, what do you mean?

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#56
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That doesn't make sense. I thought the IRS required tax returns to be filed for any amount of income over $600.

Nope. It’s $12,000 for 2018.

It was actually pretty close to that at that time; at one point I thought it was like $16,000, but I'm not sure.

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#57

Start of my junior year in chemistry at Alabama, went in to talk to my adviser (his fifth year teaching there). He was sweating over paperwork, said it was the first time he made enough to file a tax return. I said, "Excuse me, I've got to go change my major." And I did. Never looked back.

Well sure, better to do a subject you care something about, chemistry evidently meant nothing to you. ..So why did you choose it in the first place?

Nope,chemistry was my thing. Went all the way to the International Science Fair (high school) and won big there. Then got a National Merit, had choices of Hopkins, Stanford, etc., but stayed at Bama for family reasons (sick mom). To be fair, I also cared a lot about radio & computing, so switching to EE wasn't a big shock, but better career prospects w/o having to do a PhD.

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

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Or, perhaps the added stress (both to them and home life) was more than they wanted and they decided to stop running and go for a nice easy walk in the park.

That'd be nice, but but raising a family on a package delivery driver's income doesn't seem like a walk in the park either. I don't want to go off on a political tangent but I've always been struck by how capitalism is presented as both the great multiplier of wealth and the remorseless driver of competition and unyielding bottom lines.

Honestly, if we can ditch the myopic "quarterly perspectives," I think we can improve some, though the bottom's still gonna be what it is.

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

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Or, perhaps the added stress (both to them and home life) was more than they wanted and they decided to stop running and go for a nice easy walk in the park.

That'd be nice, but but raising a family on a package delivery driver's income doesn't seem like a walk in the park either. I don't want to go off on a political tangent but I've always been struck by how capitalism is presented as both the great multiplier of wealth and the remorseless driver of competition and unyielding bottom lines.

> capitalism is presented as both the great multiplier of wealth and the remorseless driver of competition and unyielding bottom lines.

It's presented that way because it's a philosophy rather than a science; it can't be tested in a controlled environment and it can have dramatically different results across countries and time periods.

Try explaining the nuances and risks and watch people's eyes glaze over. It's just easier to say capitalism will solve everything, eventually. Don't try to understand how.

Re: Ask HN: Delivery guy is a chemist with 2 teenage kids. Can this happen to me?

#60
I got the impression that you're seeing into this too much, perhaps because you yourself have legitimate fears of failure and are turning the delivery guy into a symbol of that.

No one's life is alike. You don't know what life circumstances brought the guy from chemistry degree to delivering stuff. They could haeve been in his control or not.

What you saw was a person at a single point in time. Whatever your takeaway was, doesn't define who he is or what his life will be like forever.

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