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Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by yesenadam »

qlk1123 wrote: post #16
Bendingo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> millions of Muslims in a concentration camp Can you source this (rather outrageous) claim?

Please, it's an easy search: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/14/asia/uyghur-china-xinjian...

>"Please" meaning what? It's not ok to ask for sources?

There was a link next to the 1 million figure in that article to a US Senate bill, which says "The purpose of this Act is to direct United States resources to address gross violations of universally recognized human rights, including the mass internment of over 1,000,000 Uyghurs and other predominately Muslim ethnic minorities in China..."

..but no source for that figure. From the article you linked to, it does sound like a horrific situation.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by microcolonel »

dijit wrote: post #9

I feel like this is fair. People like to paint enemies of the east while essentially letting the west get away with much more heinous stuff. The difference of course is that we implicitly trust US tech companies, of course we do, nobody else has such a monopoly on CPUs and Operating System production. Not to mention web browsers and all kinds of technology. Avoiding the USA in your tech stack is quite literally impos…

> People like to paint enemies of the east while essentially letting the west get away with much more heinous stuff.

> It is clearly a double standard. But the answer is to hold the US to account. Not bring more of this hostile crap in.

I mean, I think it's the nature of things like this that they are justifiable but not pleasant to suffer from. This is weaponry, not poetry; if theirs is better we suffer, that's it.

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Post by chrischen »

claplouder wrote: post #49
chrischen wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue isn't that China is doing bad things, it's that as someone who is not in China sitting in probably an armchair, providing opinions and guidance across the world is a terrible way to provide well-thought out political advice. One should stick to where they have legitimacy, and that's usually in their local politics. As a non-black person, it'd be like me criticizing black people for things they do. Since I c…

Huh? This sounds a lot like CCP arguments. Don't meddle in our affairs and tell us what to do. Problem is that China is practicing economic colonialism in Africa as we speak and sabotaging and stealing tech from western corporations and govts at an unprecedented rate. Fortunately, the world is starting to wake up to the Chinese thuggery. China's days of breaking international law unpunitively are numbered.

Really no point arguing against this. My point is that Africa, China, can handle themselves for their own business dealings and don't need Americans (myself included) to protect them. Anything else is propaganda, meddling, whatever you want to call it.

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Post by chrischen »

King-Aaron wrote: post #47
chrischen wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Genuinely curious if this is true, because it doesn't sound like it's true as even the Chinese government is accountable to public opinion to a large degree. For an accusation like that you should always provide substantiated evidence, otherwise you're just flaming the anti-Chinese racial flames. Because as terrible as you may think the C…

> Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly, but still. Top result in google. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/26/chinese-activi...

There's really nothing that goes on in China without netizens talking about it (see chinasmack.com). It'd be really interesting to hear about the Chinese perspective on this. TO be honest the article seems really lacking on details. From an objective bystander perspective, there may actually be legitimate charges levied on the family members, but it's hard to tell.

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Post by chrischen »

kelnos wrote: post #45
chrischen wrote: post #43

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I guess Russia is part of the West now? Funny thing is Snowden first went to Hong Kong, a part of China, for that protection.

Suggesting that HK is "a part of China" vastly simplifies what's going on there to a point of uselessness.

I think the communist party has enough leverage to make it "a part of China" for the concerns of Edward Snowden.

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Post by calcifer »

King-Aaron wrote: post #47
chrischen wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Genuinely curious if this is true, because it doesn't sound like it's true as even the Chinese government is accountable to public opinion to a large degree. For an accusation like that you should always provide substantiated evidence, otherwise you're just flaming the anti-Chinese racial flames. Because as terrible as you may think the C…

> Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly, but still. Top result in google. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/26/chinese-activi...

> Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly

What is that supposed to mean?

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Post by Theodores »

claplouder wrote: post #48
chrischen wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Genuinely curious if this is true, because it doesn't sound like it's true as even the Chinese government is accountable to public opinion to a large degree. For an accusation like that you should always provide substantiated evidence, otherwise you're just flaming the anti-Chinese racial flames. Because as terrible as you may think the C…

are you seriously asking this about the same govt that has trampled on tibetan rights and is holding a million muslims in an internment camp? Since you have brought up the subject of the genocidal CCP having the support of the Chinese population, let me ask you this: isn't it true that the feeling amongst Han Chinese is that they are superior to other races and and cultures, and are meant to rule them? Isn't that the…

Don't be so facile about China. It makes you sound like you only know how to suckle at the teat of mainstream Western media.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones:

How many young black Americans are in jail, on parole or awaiting trial?

Which country has the most people in prison, by percentage or gross total?

What about Hawaiian rights? How did that sovereign country become a U.S. state exactly?

How do these remote regions of China stack up compared to NATO's narco state of Afghanistan?

The narrative about Tibet you know is what the CIA told you to believe. The British invaded the place once, maybe you would prefer the place to be a British colony, open to the Western corporations and therefore 'free'?

The story of China and Tibet is not something you have any meaningful knowledge of. Everything you say about Chinese people and them thinking themselves as superior with some divine right to rule can be said about people in Washington, London and Tel Aviv.

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Post by claplouder »

chrischen wrote: post #53
claplouder wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? This sounds a lot like CCP arguments. Don't meddle in our affairs and tell us what to do. Problem is that China is practicing economic colonialism in Africa as we speak and sabotaging and stealing tech from western corporations and govts at an unprecedented rate. Fortunately, the world is starting to wake up to the Chinese thuggery. China's days of breaking international law unpunitively are numbered.

Really no point arguing against this. My point is that Africa, China, can handle themselves for their own business dealings and don't need Americans (myself included) to protect them. Anything else is propaganda, meddling, whatever you want to call it.

It's not as simple as that. China has already debt-trapped Sri Lanka into giving up a port and is eyeing other African nations as it projects its navy across the Indian ocean trying to threaten India. Maybe the corrupt African leaders can give up African interests to China and it's their business, but Chinese interest obviously doesn't end there. Hence, it is, and should be of concern to all the other national interests in the area and globally. Sorry, China will not be allowed to do as they please considering their track record.

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Post by claplouder »

Theodores wrote: post #57
claplouder wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you seriously asking this about the same govt that has trampled on tibetan rights and is holding a million muslims in an internment camp? Since you have brought up the subject of the genocidal CCP having the support of the Chinese population, let me ask you this: isn't it true that the feeling amongst Han Chinese is that they are superior to other races and and cultures, and are meant to rule them? Isn't that the…

Don't be so facile about China. It makes you sound like you only know how to suckle at the teat of mainstream Western media. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones: How many young black Americans are in jail, on parole or awaiting trial? Which country has the most people in prison, by percentage or gross total? What about Hawaiian rights? How did that sovereign country become a U.S. state exactly? How do these…

I am Indian, and I know precisely the story of Tibetans. There are many of them living in India now since they've lost their homes. China invaded India twice, so don't think I don't know Chinese superiority complex.

Of course there are nutcases everywhere, but nowhere else a government this powerful has a mandate to undermine human rights at a global level without any opposition from their own people. CCP is following a racist genocidal agenda with full support of a majority of their people, and they won't stop at the Uighurs or tibetans.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by cm2187 »

This is really not a smart defense. US accuses Chinese company of introducing backdoors in its products for the benefit of China. Chinese company says everyone does it, proves it based on Snowden revelations.

The Chinese company is most likely right. But if you are a national carrier, do you then buy the product with the Chinese backdoors?

The only defense that wouldn’t kill their sales would be arguing for the opposite, that backdoors undermine the trust of their customers, and that they have the same incentive as Google, Apple or Cisco to push back on those requests.

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