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U.S. Student Debt in ‘Serious Delinquency’ Tops $166B

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Re: U.S. Student Debt in ‘Serious Delinquency’ Tops $166B

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If we run this number up hopefully they bail everyone out.

As someone who just paid his student loans off after 7 years out of college, I hope this turns out to be the case. I am fortunate. A confluence of factors outside the control of many borrowers keeps them saddled with debt for the foreseeable future. They deserve relief.

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#52
post #50

There is so much waste in universities: bloated admin/it staff , libraries filled with journals/magazines that no one reads, tenure system that doesn't allow you to downsize departments that have no students. Tuition can be reduced, however there is no incentive to do it since students can easily get loans.

Yet, at the same time, they also provide all those jobs. Is bloating and inefficiency all that bad if it provides good jobs and the jobs have a good work/life balance?

This is exactly the question that the parable of the broken window answers.

http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html

Re: U.S. Student Debt in ‘Serious Delinquency’ Tops $166B

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. It’s become a government backed bubble. Somehow we need to pop it softly. I’m sympathetic to all the current student debt holders and providing relief to them but if we do that without putting and end to these guaranteed loans we’re just perpetuating (and making worse) the problem. Doing something like making community college and trade school level degrees free and leaving everything else to private loans sor…

Why do you think community college and trade school level degrees should be free? It sounds like you think they're less wasteful somehow?

Community colleges have lower wages for their permanent faculty compared to universities and 4 year colleges. Community colleges usually have very little in terms of athletics. Athletics at most universities are a huge sink in terms of expenses. Very few universities generate enough money to pay for their athletic departments and none of them as far as I know generate enough money to pay for the buildings and stadiums they use. Community colleges mostly focus on teaching classes and lack the accoutrements that universities generally have.

Re: U.S. Student Debt in ‘Serious Delinquency’ Tops $166B

#55

If you add up the total cost of all education institutions in the US, multiply by 4 years, then build a payment structure based on that number, there is simply not enough income left over in the corhort of new grads (first 10 years out of school) to pay the debt service. The problem has nothing to do with liberal art majors, or irresponsible borrowing. The problem is entirely driven by an excessive cost structure of…

Why can't it be both? Granted as anecdotal, I don't have enough fingers to count all the young people I know who got liberal arts degrees and are either floundering or working crap jobs that have nothing to do with their degrees. I'm not saying they are entirely responsible, as there is tons of pressure to go to college and pursue a major, but there's enough information available to determine what degrees pay and what degrees are worthless. If you borrow money for something inviable, that's a poor business decision.

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#56
post #34

But I thought the more a degree costs the more it magically increases lifetime earnings?

It does: if degrees cost more, fewer people can access them, so the market has fewer people with that expertise, so they can make more money.

Unless there are other schools that provide the same degree for a lower cost.

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#58
post #50

There is so much waste in universities: bloated admin/it staff , libraries filled with journals/magazines that no one reads, tenure system that doesn't allow you to downsize departments that have no students. Tuition can be reduced, however there is no incentive to do it since students can easily get loans.

Yet, at the same time, they also provide all those jobs. Is bloating and inefficiency all that bad if it provides good jobs and the jobs have a good work/life balance?

"Creating jobs" is a silly argument. Literally anyone can create jobs if they are useless. Here's a shovel, go dig a hole then fill it back in.

Re: U.S. Student Debt in ‘Serious Delinquency’ Tops $166B

#59

There is so much waste in universities: bloated admin/it staff , libraries filled with journals/magazines that no one reads, tenure system that doesn't allow you to downsize departments that have no students. Tuition can be reduced, however there is no incentive to do it since students can easily get loans.

This is spot on. An anecdote from my undergrad studies and living in Madison, WI: the UW has a division of housing, which provides (shoddy) canvas carts to the students to use for moving in/out of the dorms. My student organization happened to "acquire" some of these carts, and when using one I was confronted by none other than the director of housing, who promptly called the police on me. In the end I was happy to return it and he asked the police not to press charges on the condition that I help him walk the cart back to the dorm where it belonged. He told me that people stealing the carts drives him crazy because they cost about $800 each because there's a complicated bidding process to even attempt to sell them to the school! I told him I'd be happy to go to the Home Depot and bang some together if he paid me half that for carts.

Re: U.S. Student Debt in ‘Serious Delinquency’ Tops $166B

#60

There is so much waste in universities: bloated admin/it staff , libraries filled with journals/magazines that no one reads, tenure system that doesn't allow you to downsize departments that have no students. Tuition can be reduced, however there is no incentive to do it since students can easily get loans.

Universities waste money in a lot of ways - library funding is not one of them.

Well, paying for journals more expensive than sci-hub is largely a waste. And I've seen lots of renovations of libraries which add a lot of pretty luxurious study space... although I'm not sure that was on the library budget.
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