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Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by eesmith »

arcticfox wrote: post #23
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm even more fortunate: I live in Spain so I order Valencia oranges directly from producers in the actual region of Valencia. When not on season, I buy oranges from South Africa or wherever, but I can't stomach the bottled juice. I don't know what flavor pack they use here but it doesn't taste even remotely like the real thing, I'd rather make juice from the worst oranges in the supermarket than drink bottled.

Normally I wouldn't want to burst your bubble, but one-upsmanship is a pet peeve of mine. The Valencia orange was developed in California; Floridian Valencia oranges are just as valid.

FWIW, details from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencia_orange :

> William Wolfskill .. migrating to California .. hybridized the Valencia orange, a sweet orange, naming it for Valencia, Spain, which had a reputation for its sweet orange trees. .. The success of this crop in Southern California led to the naming of Valencia, California.

> ... In the mid 20th century, Florida botanist Lena B. Smithers Hughes introduced major improvements to the Valencia orange .. the Hughes Valencia bud line [make] up some 60 percent of all Valencia oranges propagated for cultivation in Florida

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by hnnh44 »

evo_9 wrote: post #43

It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…

Sugar is absolutely addictive. And juice is just sugar.

Whole fruits are healthy because of the fibers and nutrients in the pulp+skin. The fiber slows absorption and helps with insulin spikes.

Even "fresh juicing", which is crazy popular, isn't the same as just eating the fruit.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by degenerate »

cubano wrote: post #29

Being a east central Florida native, I grew up picking Valencia's off neighborhood trees, before the terrible canker in the 90's forced the state agriculture office to basically bulldoze and burn every non-commercial orange tree in the state. IMO, the real treat is fresh squeezed grapefruit juice, not orange. Fresh grapefruit juice tastes nothing whatsoever like the stuff they sell in markets, and has a sublime flavo…

Seconding a fresh Florida-grown grapefruit. I used to pick them a lot as a kid. It's rare to find someone with a residential grapefruit tree in FL now.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by nradov »

evo_9 wrote: post #43

It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…

I'm not going to "defend" fruit juice, but grapefruit juice is quite good and usually contains less sugar than orange.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by sjwright »

hnnh44 wrote: post #53
evo_9 wrote: post #43

It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…

Sugar is absolutely addictive. And juice is just sugar. Whole fruits are healthy because of the fibers and nutrients in the pulp+skin. The fiber slows absorption and helps with insulin spikes. Even "fresh juicing", which is crazy popular, isn't the same as just eating the fruit.

It’s not “just sugar.” It’s mostly fructose, the worst sugar, known to stress the liver like alcohol. And unlike most other calories it does a poor job of triggering satiation.

Fruit juice is evil.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by bluedino »

evo_9 wrote: post #43

It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…

Small quantities of orange juice are recommended on the vertical diet.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by copperx »

sjwright wrote: post #56
hnnh44 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar is absolutely addictive. And juice is just sugar. Whole fruits are healthy because of the fibers and nutrients in the pulp+skin. The fiber slows absorption and helps with insulin spikes. Even "fresh juicing", which is crazy popular, isn't the same as just eating the fruit.

It’s not “just sugar.” It’s mostly fructose , the worst sugar, known to stress the liver like alcohol. And unlike most other calories it does a poor job of triggering satiation. Fruit juice is evil.

So, even eating spoonfuls of sugar is better than drinking OJ?

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by sjwright »

sjwright wrote: post #56
hnnh44 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar is absolutely addictive. And juice is just sugar. Whole fruits are healthy because of the fibers and nutrients in the pulp+skin. The fiber slows absorption and helps with insulin spikes. Even "fresh juicing", which is crazy popular, isn't the same as just eating the fruit.

It’s not “just sugar.” It’s mostly fructose , the worst sugar, known to stress the liver like alcohol. And unlike most other calories it does a poor job of triggering satiation. Fruit juice is evil.

To expand on my post, I should add:

Fruit is evil.

The fruits we buy in the supermarket (or hipster organic farmers market) bare little resemblance to the less sweet and less palatable fruits that humans would have eaten prior to cultivation. Through an ongoing process (over multiple millennia) of artificially selecting for higher sugar content, we have turned nature’s fruits into the equivalent of candy bars.

If you want nutrients, eat vegetables.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by dymk »

nradov wrote: post #55
evo_9 wrote: post #43

It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…

I'm not going to "defend" fruit juice, but grapefruit juice is quite good and usually contains less sugar than orange.

Unfortunate that it interferes with hormonal birth control :(
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