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Re: Leap Spins out of YC

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On the elpha.com FAQ I see the reason for enforcing real-identities: "Real identities allow us to build lasting, trustworthy connections". Reminds me of corporate mission statement fluff. A more honest reason would be "we need to verify your gender". Just say that. We all know that's the reason. Also note the irony of the "Diversity & Inclusion Strategist" on front page of a community where men are not welcome. I'm a…

There are a million and one online communities where men are welcome.

Let us have just this one, please?

Re: Leap Spins out of YC

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It's not transphobic to question whether a women-only organization should include transwomen. It's a legitimately hard question with no 100% correct answer. You have to deal with the possibility of people who identify as female according to their own standards, which you might consider dishonest or confused.

Step off it, mate. There is a correct answer: People who call themselves women are women. Simple as that. You're not the arbiter of Gender.

So Trump can be the first female president... if he wants?

Re: Leap Spins out of YC

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Congratulations! Do you have a policy regarding non-binary or genderqueer people? And are there any steps you're planning to take to keep your community free of TERF transphobia? I'm curious about building a gender-based community in 2019.

Woah! Even after so long on HN, I'm surprised by multiple downvotes for even a question that merely implies an interest in inclusivity for non-cis people.

Calling people you disagree with “radical” isn’t just a question.

Re: Leap Spins out of YC

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Step off it, mate. There is a correct answer: People who call themselves women are women. Simple as that. You're not the arbiter of Gender.

So Trump can be the first female president... if he wants?

Sure. Trump's an abhorrent human being but that doesn't stop me from respecting their gender identity.

I don't go around misgendering people I don't like because I don't like them. That's shit.

Re: Leap Spins out of YC

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So Trump can be the first female president... if he wants?

Sure. Trump's an abhorrent human being but that doesn't stop me from respecting their gender identity. I don't go around misgendering people I don't like because I don't like them. That's shit.

Well let's agree to disagree. To me, "man" and "women" mean sex (i.e. biologically male or female human), not gender.

Re: Leap Spins out of YC

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post #49

On the elpha.com FAQ I see the reason for enforcing real-identities: "Real identities allow us to build lasting, trustworthy connections". Reminds me of corporate mission statement fluff. A more honest reason would be "we need to verify your gender". Just say that. We all know that's the reason. Also note the irony of the "Diversity & Inclusion Strategist" on front page of a community where men are not welcome. I'm a…

There are a million and one online communities where men are welcome. Let us have just this one, please?

My comment is one bit of opinion in a terabyte stack. You don't need (and won't get) 100% support from every bit on every forum.

If by "us" you mean women in general, you're assuming women in general want such a place where only women are allowed. If you are successful, then a pattern may emerge where more places are set up that exclude groups based on gender or other differences.

If it were bathing facilities or medical clinics and so on, where the needs of women-only services are based on practical reasons and obvious differences, nobody would question it. When the service is "technology", there is nothing inherent to that medium that warrants gender isolated services.

I'm male, but I don't comment or code from that point of view. I wouldn't want to frequent a place mainly intended for women coders. But I wouldn't want to be stopped at the door either. It's wrong to do that, which is why we have laws protecting against such discrimination. I believe a good-faith model and honesty system would serve you better in the long run rather than official gender verification, which is quite a hard-lined approach. Good luck with it anyway.

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