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U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Free your SSN and mother's maiden name to me please.

Are you aware that SSNs have absolutely nothing to do with copyright law? They aren't covered by that.

I'm responding to "information wants to be free". I don't think the quote is "only copyrighted information wants to be free"

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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What is e-verify?

https://www.e-verify.gov > "ABOUT E-VERIFY" > "E-Verify is a web-based system that allows enrolled employers to confirm the eligibility of their employees to work in the United States. E-Verify employers verify the identity and employment eligibility of newly hired employees by electronically matching information provided by employees on the Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification, against records available to…

Thanks.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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I'm trying to understand exactly what is changing. From the article are they just switching the order of the two lotteries? They aren't actually raising the number of visas offered, right? This just has the effect of allocating more of the 85,000 visas granted to those with a Master's degree or PhD, right? I'm sure the universities that heavily recruit international students to their graduate programs will love this.

Yes. Total number of visas are not increased but people with US Masters degree will have a higher chance of winning the lottery. I am not a lawyer but based on my reading of the law USCIS is likely going to lose in court over this. Here is the relevant text of the law[1]: --- (5) The numerical limitations contained in paragraph (1)(A) shall not apply to any nonimmigrant alien … who … (C) has earned a master’s or high…

> Implication that students with US masters degree are high skilled is pretty lame because majority of these students are from fly by night universities that do not even need GRE for admission

Are you arguing that people with less education are on average more valuable?

If you don't believe that it matters, then why do you care? It would be a purely neutral move. I don't see anything wrong with that.

If you think that this is a negative move, then that means that you believe people will less education, on average, are more valuable than people with more.

> Based on some of the unverified insider information

But this specific change doesn't do any of that.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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As an H1B holder in tech without a masters degree, I'm conflicted. On one hand this may help industries other than tech to get more foreign applicants. But it does nothing to gauge talent or prefer talented people. Getting into a US college and continuing my higher education was always a dream for me but it never came to fruition because of my family background. If this process is left to market to decide - by way of…

I think the reality is that the change will negatively impact you, and smart engineers without advanced degrees. That really stinks. The change doesn’t benefit everyone, but benefits foreign workers with advanced degrees looking to work (and hopefully immigrate) in the US, companies and local workers, because wages should increase at least a minor amount. But this means non-advanced degree workers lose out.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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How do you keep them from overstaying though?

Punish employers with heavy fines for e-verify violations. If no one hires you, no reason to stick around. This is what Japan does, Korea, Taiwan, etc. The US is way lenient on illegal entry and accommodating to irregular workers. In many countries the only way you get around that is if you work with the local mobsters --so only highly risk taking indivs take that opportunity.

IIRC employers avoid this liability by executing the fraud themselves. There's no e-verify violation because they use legitimate SSNs from a living person, fraudulently. The workers aren't the problem, the employers are.

Legislators and govt executives look the other way in order to preserve competitive agriculture.

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This will make getting work visas even harder for folks with only U.S. undergrad degrees. Expect growth in 4+1 and 3+1 integrated Masters programs to compensate. Prioritizing people with U.S. degrees is a pretty reasonable move. And given the existing structure, prioritizing U.S. Masters degrees is also reasonable. But a B.S. in CS is qualitatively equivalent to an M.S. The lack of nuance is not surprising but still unfortunate.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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It would have been a positive change if they did not have the restriction that the Masters must be from a US university. What's wrong with non-US universities? I don't see why degree even matters. Like someone suggested in a previous similar thread, just sorting by pay and giving higher wages more priority (perhaps with some sort of normalization to compensate for cost of living and the field of work) is much better.

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Goodhart's Law [1] applies to this situation. I expect master's degrees to become more common and less rigorous.

The whole qualification and lottery immigration system is, at best, economically inefficient. Instead of bothering with salary bands and education requirements, the government should auction off work visas, thereby ensuring that slots go to their most economically productive use. A cap-and-trade system lets the market find its own level.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Punish employers with heavy fines for e-verify violations. If no one hires you, no reason to stick around. This is what Japan does, Korea, Taiwan, etc. The US is way lenient on illegal entry and accommodating to irregular workers. In many countries the only way you get around that is if you work with the local mobsters --so only highly risk taking indivs take that opportunity.

IIRC employers avoid this liability by executing the fraud themselves. There's no e-verify violation because they use legitimate SSNs from a living person, fraudulently. The workers aren't the problem, the employers are. Legislators and govt executives look the other way in order to preserve competitive agriculture.

Some restauranteurs and other cash businesses try and pull fast ones on the IRS. So the IRS conducts audits and has agents case suspect establishments. No reason DHS/ICE, whatever cannot do the same and jail fraudsters. If they, the Feds, can jail Martha Stewart on unrelated technicalities, they can jail these fraudsters. Start at the top, target big ones and work your way down to the small ones (they'll get the news and come correct).
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