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Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
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Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#52Weak scientific result put in the media as a new truth. It does not take a genius to see any picture of Europe in '70s where there are people, to see that with very rare exceptions everybody was slim. The same happened in France, Italy, Germany, ... and now despite that we are genetically the same people are fat. Maybe there are people genetically more inclined to stay lean despite the terrible lifestyle, but that wo…
I often hear people grumbling about the rise of people in motor scooters in a judgemental way. I always try to remind them that perhaps those people couldn’t really get around before scooters became available and perhaps the amount of people with that need hasn’t changed.
I’m not suggesting that obesity rates are unchanged, but I will say that there are a lot of different factors which influence people’s ability to be out and about and in a photo. There might even be a lot of photos from the past, when photography was a lot more work, where overweight people were deliberately excluded from the scene.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a toxic and harmful attitude. There are genetic, dietary and fitness components to obesity. This is not disputed. At least one of these components is outside of the control of the individual. Others can be influenced. If someone is chronically obese, the best thing for them is to work on what they can control with professionals, which might normally include a dietitian or a personal trainer but they might als…
While I wouldn't be as blunt as the OP, I wouldn't describe it as toxic. Ultimately if you are obese, it's because you've eaten too much and that needs to be accepted before you can do anything about it.
Saying people are obese because they have eaten too much is like saying people die in traffic because they accelerated or decelerated too fast. Technical true but very unhelpful in describing the problem and potential solutions.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
No need to be rude. I'm not saying its easy or simple, but ultimately it comes down to calories in and calories out. The problem isn't going to go away if you attack people for saying that. It is the foundations that all solutions are based on.
They were a bit rude, but you were too. It may be technically true to say "ultimately it comes down to calories in and calories out", bit its unhelpful, or more importantly, unactionable. What you wave away with the casual use of the word "ultimately" is a vastly complex combination of inherited, environmental, physiological and emotional factors. Saying "ultimately it comes down to calories in and calories out" to s…
But it is actionable. Further, if you deny that basic premise, it does become unactionable.
Its like an addiction. People aren't being strapped down and force fed X drug. They have some agency, to deny that doesn't solve the problem, it makes the problem worse.
I'm not saying I have the answer. The number of pills, diets, therapies etc would suggest few, if any people do. Never the less what ever the answer is has to include a basic dietary balance.
This study doesn't change that fact, all the environmental, physiological and emotional factors don't change that fact.
Suggesting it or anyone that mentions it is 'toxic' isn't helpful.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I wouldn't be as blunt as the OP, I wouldn't describe it as toxic. Ultimately if you are obese, it's because you've eaten too much and that needs to be accepted before you can do anything about it.
Saying people are obese because they have eaten too much is like saying people die in traffic because they accelerated or decelerated too fast. Technical true but very unhelpful in describing the problem and potential solutions.
How do seat belts and air bags and crumple zones work?
You can't get to a solution without accepting it. You can't stop people dying by describing that fact as toxic.
No it's not a, or the solution, you can't ignore I though.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#56I'm very skinny and often get comments that I can and do eat anything, but I think I have some traits that make it easy for me: I hate ice cream (that fatty feeling in your mouth, ugh, I do love me some butter though!), in fact I don't like most desserts at all. I always prefer savory stuff (like a sandwich or olives for snacking) over sweet things (like cookies or candy). And I never get hungry anymore at night afte…
It is probably traits - I'm one of those people that can eat almost endlessly (and yes, am not skinny). The problem is that I don't really feel full, no matter what or how much I eat. If I just continue, then I do get the uncomfortable feeling of my stomach being overly filled even to the point it actually hurts, but still, I don't feel "fulfilled" and have the desire to keep eating. I'm trying to control it of cours…
Do you use any drugs by any chance? and if so do you approach consumption of said drugs with the same gusto. This seems more like a eating to be happy thing rather than eating to be full.
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It is probably traits - I'm one of those people that can eat almost endlessly (and yes, am not skinny). The problem is that I don't really feel full, no matter what or how much I eat. If I just continue, then I do get the uncomfortable feeling of my stomach being overly filled even to the point it actually hurts, but still, I don't feel "fulfilled" and have the desire to keep eating. I'm trying to control it of cours…
Do you use any drugs by any chance? and if so do you approach consumption of said drugs with the same gusto. This seems more like a eating to be happy thing rather than eating to be full.
Not any more and the hungryness doesn't seem to be related to moods too much.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a toxic and harmful attitude. There are genetic, dietary and fitness components to obesity. This is not disputed. At least one of these components is outside of the control of the individual. Others can be influenced. If someone is chronically obese, the best thing for them is to work on what they can control with professionals, which might normally include a dietitian or a personal trainer but they might als…
I'm curious: What's your opinion on smoking? Genetics are also likely to be involved in the likelihood of someone (not) being able to stop smoking (perhaps also starting to smoke), right? However, I haven't heard anyone blaming their smoking habit on genetics.
I don't think you can paint all smokers with the same brush but a lot of them seem to turn to the habit for the purpose of stress relief/escape and then they get hooked. The key point is the same: neither cohort benefits from being shamed by a judgey peanut gallery that reduces things to black and white, like the one in this thread. They benefit from engagement with supportive personal contacts and professionals who can help them resolve the underlying issues. The judgey peanut gallery can actually make things worse.
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Sure, but some might be genetically predisposed to make more efficient use of calories (burn easier rather than store as fat). Which could make a massive difference.
Actually the person who makes more efficient use of calories is more likely to become fat because they don't need as much. There's also a lot of evidence that burning through loads of energy will reduce your life span. Eating less is always better than trying to burn more.
> There's also a lot of evidence that burning through loads of energy will reduce your life span. Eating less is always better than trying to burn more.
I would think that it is highly dependent on what you're burning the energy for... Surely if you eat more to maintain a fit body/lifestyle, it is likely to have a more positive effect on lifespan compared to eating less and living a more sedentary life?
Of course, an optimal balance needs to be struck between the two, but I am very curious on what the research says about this balance.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#60Anyone know the SNPs involved?