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A Stroke Turned a 63-Year-Old into a Rap Legend

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Re: A Stroke Turned a 63-Year-Old into a Rap Legend

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Interesting legend, tried to search for him on youtube and other places but nothing showed up. I'm not saying this man can't rap, but how can you call that being a legend if there isn't a single recording? Nowhere in the article is there a link or an embed to an example of his legendary rap.

> Like a true underground star, he shunned mainstream success. He did appear in a documentary about Leimert Park, not as a novelty act, but as a regular member of the crew. I believe this is the documentary the article refers to: http://www.leimertparkmovie.com There's a preview clip on that website that I believe shows him rapping as Dr. Flow: http://www.leimertparkmovie.com/media/06RonCarringtononThurs...

Legit

Re: A Stroke Turned a 63-Year-Old into a Rap Legend

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> He was tall and lean, ran six miles a day, and was a strict vegetarian. “I believe a physician should provide exemplary motivation to patients,” he once wrote. “I don’t smoke and have cut out all alcohol.” > “Sometimes I worked from 6 a.m. to 3 a.m.,” he recalled, adding that the pressures had cost him his first marriage. I don't understand how a medical doctor can fail to consider sleep deprivation and overworking…

Just to share another perspective, doctors, and especially surgeons, save lives by the hour. Every minute they're not working, they forsake compensation of course, but more saliently, they are letting people die. Wouldn't you feel at least a bit compelled to work the extra odd hours here and there?

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> He was tall and lean, ran six miles a day, and was a strict vegetarian. “I believe a physician should provide exemplary motivation to patients,” he once wrote. “I don’t smoke and have cut out all alcohol.” > “Sometimes I worked from 6 a.m. to 3 a.m.,” he recalled, adding that the pressures had cost him his first marriage. I don't understand how a medical doctor can fail to consider sleep deprivation and overworking…

Doctors are trained to believe that sleep deprivation isn't something that affects good doctors. During their residency, doctors routinely work 24 hour shifts. This goes back to William Halsted, who for all intents and purposes invented modern medical training at Hopkins. Halsted managed his always-on work ethic with his cocaine addiction, and drove his residents to the same extremes. https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/…

I don't really agree about the manslaughter charge - if a doctor has been awake longer than 18 hours and there is no other doctor available, should they not attempt to treat the patient?

Personally, I don't think it's a doctor issue, I think it's a Medical Practice and Hospital Group issue. MD's don't really want to take call, but if they can take call for the entirety of one weekend and then have the next 3-5 off, they'd rather do that than take call for 12 hours 2 weekends in 4.

Re: A Stroke Turned a 63-Year-Old into a Rap Legend

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Doctors are trained to believe that sleep deprivation isn't something that affects good doctors. During their residency, doctors routinely work 24 hour shifts. This goes back to William Halsted, who for all intents and purposes invented modern medical training at Hopkins. Halsted managed his always-on work ethic with his cocaine addiction, and drove his residents to the same extremes. https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/…

I don't really agree about the manslaughter charge - if a doctor has been awake longer than 18 hours and there is no other doctor available, should they not attempt to treat the patient? Personally, I don't think it's a doctor issue, I think it's a Medical Practice and Hospital Group issue. MD's don't really want to take call, but if they can take call for the entirety of one weekend and then have the next 3-5 off, t…

> if a doctor has been awake longer than 18 hours and there is no other doctor available, should they not attempt to treat the patient?

What lead to the systemic disaster that causes this situation to come up in the first place? The scenario is presumably a hospital in a major city in peacetime; doctors shouldn't be working those hours to begin with.

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I don't really agree about the manslaughter charge - if a doctor has been awake longer than 18 hours and there is no other doctor available, should they not attempt to treat the patient? Personally, I don't think it's a doctor issue, I think it's a Medical Practice and Hospital Group issue. MD's don't really want to take call, but if they can take call for the entirety of one weekend and then have the next 3-5 off, t…

> if a doctor has been awake longer than 18 hours and there is no other doctor available, should they not attempt to treat the patient? What lead to the systemic disaster that causes this situation to come up in the first place? The scenario is presumably a hospital in a major city in peacetime; doctors shouldn't be working those hours to begin with.

No, the scenario is a rural hospital in peacetime. It happens routinely.

Re: A Stroke Turned a 63-Year-Old into a Rap Legend

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Interesting legend, tried to search for him on youtube and other places but nothing showed up. I'm not saying this man can't rap, but how can you call that being a legend if there isn't a single recording? Nowhere in the article is there a link or an embed to an example of his legendary rap.

> Like a true underground star, he shunned mainstream success. He did appear in a documentary about Leimert Park, not as a novelty act, but as a regular member of the crew. I believe this is the documentary the article refers to: http://www.leimertparkmovie.com There's a preview clip on that website that I believe shows him rapping as Dr. Flow: http://www.leimertparkmovie.com/media/06RonCarringtononThurs...

The guy rapping after him busted him. He might be a legend, but it's not for his lyrical ability.

Re: A Stroke Turned a 63-Year-Old into a Rap Legend

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I swear, a surgeon killed my dad. My dad's surgery was scheduled immediately after the surgeon returned from Australia -- he drove straight from a 30-hour flight to the surgery ward. His scalpel slipped and nicked a chyle duct, which took another half-dozen surgeries to correct. Sure, the cancer was gonna kill him, but spending 3 months in ICU probably took years away from us. I can't imagine the surgeon's hubris in…

I suspect in some professions hubris is so important that people who tend to be humble simply don't make it in them. For example, Chuck Yeager complained about the arrogance of test pilots and I've heard a couple of times surgeons comparing themselves to fighter pilots. The difference, of course, is pilots kill themselves while surgeons kill their patients. I'm so sorry about your dad.

>I've heard a couple of times surgeons comparing themselves to fighter pilots.

The comparison is a good one, because we have figured out how to minimize the risks for fighter pilots, but doctors rebel when asked to adopt the same style of work.

Before taking off, all pilots - from Cessna to A360 - go through a pre-flight checklist. No pilot is expected to remember all the things that need to be checked - we know that we can't rely on memory. We tried this before, and people died.

Yet doctors only now are starting to adopt checklists, which are known to drastically reduce simple, avoidable deaths[1]. Things like rates of IV-induce infections go down to nearly zero when doctors stick to a checklist -- but many won't; the practice is met with skepticism even though it is known to work.

It took a long time for doctors to start washing their hands and stop killing people that way.

[1]https://khn.org/news/hospital-checklist-mainbar/

Re: A Stroke Turned a 63-Year-Old into a Rap Legend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I swear, a surgeon killed my dad. My dad's surgery was scheduled immediately after the surgeon returned from Australia -- he drove straight from a 30-hour flight to the surgery ward. His scalpel slipped and nicked a chyle duct, which took another half-dozen surgeries to correct. Sure, the cancer was gonna kill him, but spending 3 months in ICU probably took years away from us. I can't imagine the surgeon's hubris in…

Individual practitioners are usually aware of the dangers of sleep deprivation. The problem is they have very few options when it comes to controlling their own hours and most of those "top ranked" hospitals are often among the most notorious for having these toxic working conditions. Medical residents are also forced to go through these conditions almost as a form of hazing, justified only by attendings who "also ha…

Sounds like Boston.

Re: A Stroke Turned a 63-Year-Old into a Rap Legend

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For all the people saying it is fake unless there is a video on Youtube, pay attention to the dates in the article. Though clearly there were camcorders in 2000, not many people just carried them around. Some people did art, rap, music, sports, etc. just to do it, they didn't need to record it to satisfy their vanity for likes and comments.

Yeah, all these comments about Youtube videos, etc. are people that have either forgotten or are too young to remember a time before ubiquitous smartphones. It sounds like he was never signed to a label or recorded in a music studio so its completely reasonable that he was never recorded rapping.

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> if a doctor has been awake longer than 18 hours and there is no other doctor available, should they not attempt to treat the patient? What lead to the systemic disaster that causes this situation to come up in the first place? The scenario is presumably a hospital in a major city in peacetime; doctors shouldn't be working those hours to begin with.

No, the scenario is a rural hospital in peacetime. It happens routinely.

... because the rural hospital can't afford to hire enough surgeons to cover their shifts, because we don't train enough surgeons, because we overtrain surgeons, because everybody qualified to evaluate this has incentives to lobby for more training. Lack of training is a perfect scapegoat for any problem and increased training requirements create lucrative educational opportunities and decrease supply / increase prices of qualified professionals. We know this in general because we can evaluate results against other regulatory regimes, but if you drill down to specifics you run into the problem that everyone qualified to comment has perverse incentives.

The real question is how to push back.

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