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Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by bambax »

natmaster wrote: post #45
bambax wrote: post #38

Browser vendors talk about benchmarks all the time but what really matters to me is startup and closing times; here Chrome really shines and FF3.6 is slow as hell. It's probably about perception; maybe the browser should show a window even if it's not really ready (and maybe there is a problem with plugins and add-ons that need to initialize themselves, etc.) Anyway, how is FF4b7 doing in this regard...?

Strange, how often do you open/close your browser?

After a while when there are many tabs opened, I find it easier to start anew by closing the browser (in fact I kill the task).

There is also a shared computer in my home that is used by my wife and my kids; there, browsers are constantly opened and closed since for some reason, most non-tech people (that I know -- and that includes my wife) close and reopen the browser to start a new browsing session.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by Tomek_ »

bambax wrote: post #38

Browser vendors talk about benchmarks all the time but what really matters to me is startup and closing times; here Chrome really shines and FF3.6 is slow as hell. It's probably about perception; maybe the browser should show a window even if it's not really ready (and maybe there is a problem with plugins and add-ons that need to initialize themselves, etc.) Anyway, how is FF4b7 doing in this regard...?

For me it's UI responsiveness - seems I must be one of few people in the world that care about it since I've never seen any article or benchmark on that (there was a couple about startup times), so I'm not even sure if it isn't only a matter of perception, but for me the problem with Firefox is that the UI feels slow, like there is a lag between clicking on an element and an action being taken by the program. Safari is also very bad at it (in Windows), as well as IE (but to a lesser extent) - Opera and Chrome on the other side are both great. But again, it's never a topic, so I suppose there's no progress on that in FF4, or is there?

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by Tomek_ »

bambax wrote: post #38

Browser vendors talk about benchmarks all the time but what really matters to me is startup and closing times; here Chrome really shines and FF3.6 is slow as hell. It's probably about perception; maybe the browser should show a window even if it's not really ready (and maybe there is a problem with plugins and add-ons that need to initialize themselves, etc.) Anyway, how is FF4b7 doing in this regard...?

Mozilla's wiki on that: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Perceived_Performance - including ideas about program's startup time, page loading, tabs, scrolling, etc.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by dochtman »

jmillikin wrote: post #3
itistoday wrote: post #2

Congrats Mozilla on the release! Odd title though for this post, for where is the "everyone"? The link shows comparisons to previous versions of Firefox, not other browsers. One thing I hope they fix before final release though is the constant CPU usage when you have many tabs open. I thought the Panorama feature was supposed to address this. It's currently idling at around 25% CPU for me, and no, unfortunately I can…

> Odd title though for this post, for where is the "everyone"? The link shows comparisons to previous versions of Firefox, not other browsers. http://arewefastyet.com/ Sunspider’s not a very good benchmark; more interesting to me is that they’re nearly even with V8 in V8’s own benchmark. Though I wonder why they can’t backport TM, or at least a subset, to 3.6; is Firefox so monolithic that improvements to the scripth…

Err, your last sentence is a bit weird. First of all, 3.6 already has TraceMonkey; what's new in Fx 4 is JägerMonkey, and the integration between it and TM. Second, the Mozilla JS engine is largely developed separately (all of the actual development these days is in a separate repository, which merges semi-regularly with the main mozilla-central repo), but have you seen any other browser backporting anything other than security fixes?

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by jijoy »

koenigdavidmj wrote: post #34
jijoy wrote: post #26

All I want is a light weight FireFox .

Funnily enough, that's why we got Firefox in the first place---they wanted a lightweight (browser part of) Mozilla. Of course, SeaMonkey is pretty fast nowadays too.

more robust they are trying to make it , more heavy it is becoming ...

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by jijoy »

maguay wrote: post #39
bambax wrote: post #38

Browser vendors talk about benchmarks all the time but what really matters to me is startup and closing times; here Chrome really shines and FF3.6 is slow as hell. It's probably about perception; maybe the browser should show a window even if it's not really ready (and maybe there is a problem with plugins and add-ons that need to initialize themselves, etc.) Anyway, how is FF4b7 doing in this regard...?

FF4b7 is still sower to startup than Chrome for me. They are right, though ... it does feel faster on webapps and rich sites than the previous beta.

True . Same with me too .

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by ilitirit »

Seems very buggy. This is what mine looks like:

http://imgur.com/64D7h

Also, here are a few other issues:

* Navigating to www.google.com gives me a 302 page before redirecting me to the localized version (seems like it does this on other sites as well)

* The AdBlock icon is missing

* No status bar means I can't access my NoScript, MultiProxy Switch, or FireBug addons easily

* Sometimes tabs just refuse to close

* It didn't seem to want to upload the above image to imgur.com. Might have been some other problem but it worked in IE8.

* The back button doesn't work (backspace does though)

* ctrl-shift-t doesn't work ("Restore recently closed tabs" is greyed out)

* When I submitted this comment I wasn't redirected to the comment page - a blank page was all I got (same thing that happened on imgur, so I'm assuming it's a related issue)

* Sometimes I get stuck in the Tab Groups window and I can't return to the main view

This is all within 10 minutes of installation, so I'm expecting to find more bugs.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by robin_reala »

ilitirit wrote: post #58

Seems very buggy. This is what mine looks like: http://imgur.com/64D7h Also, here are a few other issues: * Navigating to www.google.com gives me a 302 page before redirecting me to the localized version (seems like it does this on other sites as well) * The AdBlock icon is missing * No status bar means I can't access my NoScript, MultiProxy Switch, or FireBug addons easily * Sometimes tabs just refuse to close * It…

The status bar has been replaced with the addon bar. If it’s not showing up for you then look under View / Toolbars / Add-on Bar. Regarding your other problems, something’s definitely wrong because I can’t reproduce any of them. Maybe try with a new profile? Check the troubleshooting section on http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/4.0b7/releasenotes/
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