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De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Post by geophile »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #3
geophile wrote: post #2

I've owned MBPs for over ten years. But my mid-2015 15" MBP ("peak MBP") is giving out, and I need a replacement. It won't be another MBP, because of the keyboard regressions -- the butterfly keyboard, and the touchbar. Thinking about a System 76 Galago.

I wouldn’t recommend system 76 all they are doing is putting Linux on a Clevo. You would be much better off with a dell laptop.

What’s wrong with clevo? I’ve heard bad things about dell quality. And wasn’t impressed with the dells I’ve owned, although that was years ago.

Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Post by geophile »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #5
geophile wrote: post #2

I've owned MBPs for over ten years. But my mid-2015 15" MBP ("peak MBP") is giving out, and I need a replacement. It won't be another MBP, because of the keyboard regressions -- the butterfly keyboard, and the touchbar. Thinking about a System 76 Galago.

I felt the same, but I went with a Surface Book 2 instead, I love this thing. Pretty sweet keyboard and I can get as Unix friendly as I need to with MobaXterm (use it for X forwarding) and WSL. I have an ASUS Laptop with Linux on it for my pure Linux itch and I still got a Macbook Air. I was ticket off that the Macbook came back and the Air looks more like a Macbook than the Macbook, they should swap names (I've said…

I’ve heard bad things about dell quality.

Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Post by JshWright »

forgetcolor wrote: post #36
dkonofalski wrote: post #8

I see a lot of complaining about this keyboard online but I have yet to meet someone in person that thought it was as terrible as claimed. I love the new MacBook keyboards and Touch Bar but it's possible that I'm a complete outlier.

I'm okay with the travel changes (and even sometimes prefer it to the old generation). I am unhappy about the increased sound, but can live with it. But the regular problems with repeating keys is an insane regression in functionality. I have this problem with a different key almost every day (today it's my 'i' key), but most days one of the keys repeats itself every time I activate iti, such that—see, that "iti" was…

It's my '7' key today...

Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Post by whalesalad »

dkonofalski wrote: post #8

I see a lot of complaining about this keyboard online but I have yet to meet someone in person that thought it was as terrible as claimed. I love the new MacBook keyboards and Touch Bar but it's possible that I'm a complete outlier.

Same experience. I was weary to get one due to all the hate online but now that I own one I love it.

Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Post by alwaysanon »

geophile wrote: post #2

I've owned MBPs for over ten years. But my mid-2015 15" MBP ("peak MBP") is giving out, and I need a replacement. It won't be another MBP, because of the keyboard regressions -- the butterfly keyboard, and the touchbar. Thinking about a System 76 Galago.

I felt the same way and ended up with a Surface Laptop 2. I am soo happy the overall feel especially the nice 3:2 screen and keyboard. The only thing I'd have changed was to also add a USBC port (it has a USB-A, MiniDP, headphone that works with Apple mics/headsets and a magnetic charging/dock connector). I never thought I'd go back to Windows but the new Macbooks drove me to try it and now Windows 10, especially with the WSL Ubuntu layer, sucks much less. They even put OpenSSH into windows proper now so no more putty even outside of the Linux layer.

Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Post by linkmotif »

dkonofalski wrote: post #8

I see a lot of complaining about this keyboard online but I have yet to meet someone in person that thought it was as terrible as claimed. I love the new MacBook keyboards and Touch Bar but it's possible that I'm a complete outlier.

Add me to this list. Just spent a week with a 2018 MBP and grew to love the keyboard. The keys are bigger and something about the feel makes it easier to type. I got use to it in an hour. Looking forward to getting one myself.

Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Post by tptacek »

dkonofalski wrote: post #8

I see a lot of complaining about this keyboard online but I have yet to meet someone in person that thought it was as terrible as claimed. I love the new MacBook keyboards and Touch Bar but it's possible that I'm a complete outlier.

I love the 2016+ Macbook keyboards and find them far more pleasant to type on than the '15 15" keyboard I'm typing on right now. Unfortunately, the reliability issues on them were traumatizing, and I'm viscerally afraid to try the new models (which supposedly rectify the 2016 problems with a gasket).

Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Post by lanewinfield »

forgetcolor wrote: post #47

Trying this out. I like it more than I thought I would. But a couple comments: 1) The sounds appear to all be the same, regardless of key. Seems there should be some subtle variation in the sound, even if it just a very slight modulation in pitch? This would better map with real mechanical keyboards. 2) The sounds appear too far delayed to me. Like it's slightly out of sync w/ my typing. I turned off the keyup sound—…

I'm using it right now—it seems like keys towards the right get put more on the right channel of audio and the ones on the left more on the left, which is a nice feature.

I think some subtle variation (like, adding an effect randomly or having ~10 recordings) could make this even better.

Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard

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Post by nothanksmydude »

I wish this was actually a fix for how shitty their keyboards are instead of what is essentially a fart app. I've taken my 2017 MBP in for three keyboard repairs at this point. Reluctantly spent $5k upgrading to this after the 2014 i7 air wasn't enough for development. It's easily the worst Macbook I've ever owned.

The kicker is that repair is no longer what I would consider "trivial", as to install a new keyboard yourself you have to gut the touchbar out of the old one because there's no way for users to pair a new one.

I also recently learned they killed Target Display Mode when they introduced the DCI P3 screens on both iMac and MBP. Perhaps the hardware to do so at that color depth wasn't available then and they couldn't justify doing it themselves, but it certainly is now. I doubt we'll see the feature return.

I miss when "Pro" meant actual professional level features

Edit: I should add I really don't mind typing on them, and can go just as fast as I can on my custom 60% with clears, the reliabilty is just ass for how much time I spend using it

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