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EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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RTFA: > If you live in the rest of Europe: please contact the ministers working on the Copyright in the Digital Single Market directive. We'll update this page with more information as we get it.

What about those of us who don't live in Europe?

Are you asking how can you influence law making in a country that you're not a citizen of?

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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> In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. Is this for real? I know it's anecdotal but I find it hilarious > I could write a list much longer, but in general I think the Unix approach works: Many small things that each do one thing well. The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well Well...I'm sure man…

Yeah I'm afraid the example is quite real. But sure, example could be dug up of good things the EU have done. But even in those cases the cost is much too great. For instance, they built a really nice hallway at the Parliament, but when it came time to name it, they assigned 76 diplomats and the president of the EU to work through the name. That alone ended up costing something like 11 million euros. I can't think of…

>For instance, they built a really nice hallway at the Parliament, but when it came time to name it, they assigned 76 diplomats and the president of the EU to work through the name. That alone ended up costing something like 11 million euros.

Citation please? I can't find anything about that online, and I'd expect that to be a scandal that'd be easily found!

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

.. As a dane I completely disagree with this post. The EU is a big machine, and yes some parts of it may seem outdated and or obsolete, and some parts of it may even be so. That's how it is with big things, but it doesn't mean that it's bad, just that we need to keep improving it. I have a really, really hard time understanding people that says we should leave the EU, especially when they hand out the same, or similar examples that you just did.

Beside legislating the amount of cinnamon bakeries use, the EU handles so many important things that a small country like denmark will never have the resources to handle. This in no way means that they are perfect, but work to improve it instead.

We have this big project, it has been running in production for 15 years, it solves a lot of problems, but there are of course some technical debt that we should find the time to improve and fix. In my head you are the new guy telling everyone that we should rewrite it.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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post #27

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>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like >The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this >In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkle…

>You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this Can you name anything the EU has done well?

It forced my government to break national monopoly on internet access, bringing ASDL prices down from $265 month to just $8.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Right to be Forgotten, GDPR, and now this... pretty soon the barrier to entry will be so high that no new players would be able to get off the ground with an internet company in Europe.

[citation needed] Right to be Forgotten affects search engines. GDPR is common sense, allow users to delete their data. If you make aggregate data of your users and their behavior then it's not their data anymore. Tax law is a lot more complicated yet never stopped anyone from innovating if there was an economic niche waiting for them.

Any regulation is a barrier to entry. The more complicated the regulation is, the worse it is for competition.

Of course tax law has stopped people from innovating. It's one of the biggest drains on competition and economic growth. Taxes would be the biggest source of economic efficiency even if they weren't as complex as they are.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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post #11

It's alarming that there appears to be no provision for fair use of copyrighted materials. I'm not in the EU, but that would seem to be a grave oversight. One can imagine an image or any copyrightable material which might become offensive or embarrassing might get copyrighted so as to in effect censor the material.

There is no direct equivalent in EU law to the general "fair use" provisions in the US. Indeed, the US provisions are somewhat controversial, because arguably they don't meet the requirements of the main umbrella international agreements for intellectual property.

The closest equivalent in Europe would be something like the fair dealing provisions here in England and their counterparts in other member states, but those tend to enumerate specific scenarios where copying may be lawful without the permission of the copyright holder, rather than the US approach of specifying a small number of general principles and leaving it to the courts to resolve any specific case.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Yeah. Remove EU and I'm sure Russia will be happy to take over your little countries. Individually European countries are pretty weak. They're only strong as a common entity.

Pretty sure NATO would survive the dismantling of some bureaucracy.

NATO is military pact. EU has economic advantages for member states like single market and trade union (so you can't create trade agreement in WTO sense with single EU member).

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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post #55
post #35

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[citation needed] Right to be Forgotten affects search engines. GDPR is common sense, allow users to delete their data. If you make aggregate data of your users and their behavior then it's not their data anymore. Tax law is a lot more complicated yet never stopped anyone from innovating if there was an economic niche waiting for them.

Any regulation is a barrier to entry. The more complicated the regulation is, the worse it is for competition. Of course tax law has stopped people from innovating. It's one of the biggest drains on competition and economic growth. Taxes would be the biggest source of economic efficiency even if they weren't as complex as they are.

It can work the other way too. GDPR is not very complicated and a new actor would have a big advantage in designing their system to be compliant from the start.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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I'm glad you find it hillarious. You must not be paying for it.

For anybody following along, this kind of garbage rhetoric is exactly how Brexit started. 1. Spread misinformation and sow discontent against the EU 2. ??? 3. Profit

I might not put things in quite such confrontational terms, but the general complaint some people are making here is valid. The EU does have a track record of taking on technical issues without adequately understanding them and so legislating with perhaps good intentions but not always good results. This has caused significant damage to many organisations because of (presumably) unintended side effects, and obviously that does then have a chilling effect on things like investment plans and even whether to start new businesses at all.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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post #27

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>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like >The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this >In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkle…

>You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this Can you name anything the EU has done well?

"Europe is still the closest thing to paradise on Earth"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/19/europe...

It's from 2012, but the vast majority of what's said there is still true.

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