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Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by toyg »

haywirez wrote: post #13

I'm worried about influencing outcomes in the EU due to language barriers, especially on boring and "unsexy" issues like Internet regulation. It'd be important for the EU to be able to vote for representatives regardless of your primary jurisdiction. Even if I manage to convince most of the representatives from my region, they will be outvoted by the French who had a big hand in passing the proposal forward the last…

I find that unlikely to believe. Yes, the de-facto working languages in Bruxelles are English and French, but chances are everyone knows both (or even English better). If you send material to MEPs of any country, they will be able to read it if they want - there are dedicated translation services, as you might imagine in an org working with dozens of different ethnicities.

Language acts simply as a constituency signal (“not in my language? Not a voter of mine...”). That is expected and even legitimate - why should a MEP listen to other voices over the ones of people they actually represent? If you really want to influence a MEP, you would get better chances by finding allies in his constituency. This is not really different than with national parliaments.

In terms of this or that national block outvoting a position, it is less frequent than one would expect, and depends largely on how European parties organise. Most parties have some sort of nominated board that agrees a line for the entire group, regardless of national boundaries. Some countries might have a larger influence on the group because of their electoral dynamics (German MEPs for the Greens, for example, will outnumber Italian ones to ridiculous degrees; and some parties are single-country, typically the isolationist ones), but that’s usually not the case in major parties (PSE and PPE).

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by Maarten88 »

yani wrote: post #30
radarsat1 wrote: post #10

The GDPR has already resulted in quite a few websites simply refusing to serve the EU. Will this clinch it? Will the EU be cut off form the internet due to over-regulation that no one wants to put themselves at risk over?

Businesses cannot afford it and no, it is not happening. Also, abusing GDPR is one thing, how about all these companies start to pay VAT and taxes on sales originated from EU.

Business currently just state they comply with GDPR, but really they don't.

All these big blanket OK consent buttons we see on landing pages have already been shown in court do not constitute informed and freely given consent. The real impact has het to come, hopefully after some stiff fines are handed.

And you are right: I also wonder about enabling large scale VAT dodging by sites like aliexpress.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by bloak »

It's unclear to me what "internet platforms that organise and promote large amounts of ... works uploaded by their users" really means. It presumably applies to Facebook. It presumably doesn't apply to e-mail. But if I had a social networking service that had no advertising and was only accessible to its paying users, would the law apply to it? What if postings were encrypted and could only be read by users that had requested access to them? Would the company running the service be expected to either backdoor the encryption or create bogus accounts and request access from those bogus accounts in order to monitor postings that might contain infringing content?

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by tql »

StavrosK wrote: post #39
eps wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because English is one of the simplest languages to learn. A better question is why not Spanish?

Please stop with this fiction. I bet you never had to learn English as a second language. It's very hard.

Mandarin and Spanish are harder.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by glogla »

Arnt wrote: post #9
philipps wrote: post #2

I am curious about other interpretations of the impact this law will have. Would it encourage the development of more peer-to-peer sharing networks, which lack a central space to upload? I wish we had the kind of concerted effort that the copyright lobby is able to launch, but focused on issues that reduce the net benefit of these platform more than copyright infringement: hate speech or intentional misinformation.

It'll encourage growth of telegram/whatsapp groups where stuff is forwarded around and reaches a large audience, but without a crawlable URL. Social networks.

Like in the old Direct Connect days.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

this ham fisted proposal was heavily pushed by France. Yet legislators have no idea why people hate Brussels and the EU? This is how people get red-pilled! But maybe it's what all us Europeans deserve ... Time to put on a yellow vest and add this to the agenda of demands. Go yellow or go home.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by mrweasel »

TomMarius wrote: post #31
chunkyslink wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to be cut off from Facebook. Please do it now.

What about other people that like the service? Why don't you stop using it yourself and instead try to forcibly impose your personal ideals on others?

Agreed, it's a way over the top. However, I would like the EU, or the US, to tell Facebook to get their data collection and reselling under control. The GDPR should have taken care of that issue, but until someone drag Facebook to count over a GDPR violation and wins, nothing is going to change.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

jaabe wrote: post #46
danijelb wrote: post #22

In a weird way, this might be EU's strategy to finally deal significant damage to Google and Facebook, as this law will encourage development of alternatives on decentralized peer-to-peer technologies. However, I'm not sure if EU politicians are that smart...

It’s not made by EU politicians, it’s made by a combination of lawyers, engineers and public administration majors. In many ways the EU is a functioning technocracy, and if you ever read through the actual EU documents it shows. They are almost always sound, they are also massively bureaucratic and around 90% longer than necessary, but I’ve never read through something that wasn’t sound. Disclaimer: I haven’t read up…

>the EU is a functioning technocracy,

only it's not really functioning is it?

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by DanBC »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #3

Well there goes my startup idea I was working on and off last two years.

Your startup idea was to host large amounts of copyrighted material for profit, without checking who had the rights to distribute that material?

In some parts of the EU that's already illegal. Not just a civil tort for which you can be sued, but an actual criminal offence for which you can be prosecuted.

Which would you prefer?

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