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Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by foxyv »

pmarreck wrote: post #13

To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to…

What is love? ...and other interesting philosophical questions.

Also: Baby don't hurt me! Baby don't hurt me, no more!

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by uhtred »

shashwatak wrote: post #45
uhtred wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you continue to eat other animals if you feel the way you do about other animals?

Because they're delicious :(

So a brief moment of taste pleasure is worth the suffering and killing of another creature that feels physical and emotional pain?

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by tapland »

dddddaviddddd wrote: post #40
vageli wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here in Sweden someone had pigeons flying to their balcony all the time and they got reported for keeping them as a pet. The city dropped them off in another town but they flew back and were ordered to be put down because native species are not allowed to be kept as pets and they were unwilling to adapt to not living on the balcony. If the motivation of these laws is to protect the animals, I can't think of a more…

Unless the intention is to preserve wild behavior and prevent domestication, i.e. removing some individuals from the population to (in a way) preserve the species.

Probably.

Some cockatiels that proved very hard to catch this summer after they escaped were ordered to be put down by some hunters as well. They can survive our winters in urban areas and pose a risk to the native birds.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by nkrisc »

vageli wrote: post #38
tapland wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Sweden someone had pigeons flying to their balcony all the time and they got reported for keeping them as a pet. The city dropped them off in another town but they flew back and were ordered to be put down because native species are not allowed to be kept as pets and they were unwilling to adapt to not living on the balcony.

> Here in Sweden someone had pigeons flying to their balcony all the time and they got reported for keeping them as a pet. The city dropped them off in another town but they flew back and were ordered to be put down because native species are not allowed to be kept as pets and they were unwilling to adapt to not living on the balcony. If the motivation of these laws is to protect the animals, I can't think of a more…

It may not protect the individuals in this case but it does help protect the "wildness" of the animals as a group.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by projectramo »

Memosyne wrote: post #50

When I was a child, a school teacher showed me this hoax video of flying penguins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dfWzp7rYR4 . Unfortunately, for a brief period of my childhood, I was under the assumption that penguins could indeed fly. By the time I had uncovered my teacher's subterfuge, I had already made a fool of myself by publicly positing that such penguins existed. Admittedly, my teacher was only playing a p…

Yeah, it turns out that those birds were not flying but were actually launched from catapults. One of them even landed in a pig sty and was the inspiration behind the game "angry birds."

You should definitely update your friends on social media now that you know.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by nkrisc »

ams6110 wrote: post #44
vageli wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here in Sweden someone had pigeons flying to their balcony all the time and they got reported for keeping them as a pet. The city dropped them off in another town but they flew back and were ordered to be put down because native species are not allowed to be kept as pets and they were unwilling to adapt to not living on the balcony. If the motivation of these laws is to protect the animals, I can't think of a more…

Pigeons hardly need protecting. They are nuisance animals in most areas.

They become a nuisance when people try to domesticate that. Which is why there are laws against doing so.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by [deleted] »

uhtred wrote: post #36
pmarreck wrote: post #13

To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to…

How can you continue to eat other animals if you feel the way you do about other animals?

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Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by perfmode »

uhtred wrote: post #52
shashwatak wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they're delicious :(

So a brief moment of taste pleasure is worth the suffering and killing of another creature that feels physical and emotional pain?

I oscillate between reason and impulse. We are creatures of habit and the environment in which we act is full of nudges toward omnivorous decisions.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by ndiscussion »

uhtred wrote: post #52
shashwatak wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they're delicious :(

So a brief moment of taste pleasure is worth the suffering and killing of another creature that feels physical and emotional pain?

Obviously yes for most people, since vegans are a tiny minority. Bit of a high horse you're on there.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

pmarreck wrote: post #13

To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to…

> perhaps dimmer versions than the ones we're familiar with

No, I think that's our subconscious desire to believe we are separate from the world around us speaking. They may experience and express feelings differently than we do, but that doesn't mean that experience is less meaningful.

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