Happy Birthday, XMPP: 20th Anniversary of Jabber • Hacker News Board

Re: Happy Birthday, XMPP: 20th Anniversary of Jabber

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Post by dwaite » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 1:32 AM UTC

ge0rg wrote: post #38

jeremie wrote: post #32

I’d say that it feels like just yesterday, but it totally feels like decades ago :) I’m very lucky to still be close with so may of the truly amazing individuals that helped build Jabber, and over the years deeply honored by all those that spoke to me about how it inspired them. While at the surface it may seem like all of our efforts had little impact on the big “messaging silos”, I am most proud of how much Jabber/…

Hey Jeremie! It's really awesome to have you here! I've tried to dig up some more historical background besides of the Slashdot announcement, but failed. Do you happen to have an old copy of the 1999 changelog / code base (maybe a backup of the CVS or SVN server), just out of historical interest. The archive.org history only goes back to around 2004. Also it's really amazing how far you've been looking into the futur…

FWIW, the https://github.com/mawis/jabberd/ logs go back to 2000.

Re: Happy Birthday, XMPP: 20th Anniversary of Jabber

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Post by therealidiot » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 3:04 AM UTC

tracker1 wrote: post #46

Nux wrote: post #42

We need to move away from Hipchat at work and really wanted to use xmpp, but was super let down by the iOS clients, it can't be used in production. Android - thanks to Cobversations and Xabber, is really ok, PC is ok (Gajim), but we couldn't migrate due to the 3 iOS users in the team. Duplicate msg and all sorts of weird behaviour and errors made it a no go. We ended up with the shitty MS Teams in the end; comes free…

I know it's not open... but I personally really like Teams, especially if you use some of the integrations, wiki and files.

I hate it, I find the UI clunky and slow. Most annoying is having to fake an Edge user agent to get incoming calls to work (using Chrome on Ubuntu) but having to use the normal UA at other times as it breaks my messaging history otherwise

Re: Happy Birthday, XMPP: 20th Anniversary of Jabber

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Post by theamk » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 5:50 AM UTC

sublupo wrote: post #49

How would you compare xmpp to matrix? Are they both similarly secure, distributed, and open source?

From what I see, XMPP is "message delivery" while matrix is " eventually consistent global db with pubsub semantics"

The difference becomes relevant when you have multiple or offline devices. XMPP may not deliver messages to some of the devices (for example, if message carbons are not supported by client). Matrix will not drop messages -- it may take some time, but eventually all devices will see all the messages.

Re: Happy Birthday, XMPP: 20th Anniversary of Jabber

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Post by goffi » Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 11:54 AM UTC

And 20 years later, this is published on an XMPP based blog engine, quite a nice way to celebrate :)

Re: Happy Birthday, XMPP: 20th Anniversary of Jabber

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Post by icedchai » Sun, Jan 06, 2019, 3:29 AM UTC

dublo7 wrote: post #41

jeremie wrote: post #32

I’d say that it feels like just yesterday, but it totally feels like decades ago :) I’m very lucky to still be close with so may of the truly amazing individuals that helped build Jabber, and over the years deeply honored by all those that spoke to me about how it inspired them. While at the surface it may seem like all of our efforts had little impact on the big “messaging silos”, I am most proud of how much Jabber/…

I remember decades ago seeing it come out and thinking we already have irc and email and chat. Why throw in "with xml" and think it's going to be better. Shows what I know. Way to stick with it. :)

No, you were right. The XMPP protocol is awful.

Re: Happy Birthday, XMPP: 20th Anniversary of Jabber

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Post by temas » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:32 PM UTC

motorpsycho wrote: post #40

jeremie wrote: post #32

I’d say that it feels like just yesterday, but it totally feels like decades ago :) I’m very lucky to still be close with so may of the truly amazing individuals that helped build Jabber, and over the years deeply honored by all those that spoke to me about how it inspired them. While at the surface it may seem like all of our efforts had little impact on the big “messaging silos”, I am most proud of how much Jabber/…

Jeremie, I'm watching your talk about telehash on InfoQ and I wonder what happened to the project? Is it worth pursuing ... ?

Telehash has been waiting for the right time to get focus again. We've been very busy with our other work currently, but it is in no way forgotten. We're hoping to come back around to it soon. Message us on our Slack if you'd like to chat more.