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Re: NY Blogger Criticized For Posting Photos of Teen Vandals

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Post by gaius »

sukuriant wrote: post #42
meelash wrote: post #8

Man, I wish those punks would do something like that in my neighborhood. 5 or 6 guys should get together with some nice, big sticks and go patrol the streets. Let some kid throw an egg at them and then go beat the crap out of him (meaning hit him once or twice in a non-vulnerable part of the body until he cries but not cause any actual physical harm). It will only take one kid, one year. Problem solved forever. Self…

Wouldn't posting it here make it premeditated and less "self defense"?

Nothing wrong with stating publicly that you're willing and able to defend yourself and your property. In fact there should be no need to state it, it should be assumed that decent folk will...

Re: NY Blogger Criticized For Posting Photos of Teen Vandals

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Post by goatforce5 »

patrickgzill wrote: post #18
lhnn wrote: post #10

I will be so bold as to say this: I doubt there are many places in Texas where this would have happened without those kids getting arrested, or barring that, being rightfully assaulted. When one attacks another's person and property, one should expect retribution.

People in Texas are allowed to have guns. NY not so much. Just ONE adult with a shiny chrome .45, 1911 frame or shotgun would have stopped all of this in its tracks. EDIT to add: "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -- Robert A. Heinlein

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -- Robert A. Heinlein

And how's that been working out lately for you Americans?

Re: NY Blogger Criticized For Posting Photos of Teen Vandals

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Post by mmt »

goatforce5 wrote: post #52
patrickgzill wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People in Texas are allowed to have guns. NY not so much. Just ONE adult with a shiny chrome .45, 1911 frame or shotgun would have stopped all of this in its tracks. EDIT to add: "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -- Robert A. Heinlein

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -- Robert A. Heinlein And how's that been working out lately for you Americans?

Quite well, actually. States with "shall issue"[1] laws have seen a significant reduction in violent crimes. I believe Florida is the one with the longest data.

Much like the repeal of the national 55mph speed limit, the arguments against were all FUD. Neither resulted in bloodbaths.

[1] A law which requires the state to issue a permit to carry a concealed weapon, except under specific disqualifying circumstances, which the state bears the onus showing.

Re: NY Blogger Criticized For Posting Photos of Teen Vandals

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Post by clr »

You have to understand the neighborhood in which this happens. This blogger has been fighting a losing battle for years now. The community is so incredibly insular that instead of Dave being a hero for what he does, he's considered to be, well, you saw the footage from the community meeting (and you don't know what he had to do to even get that far, they tried to ban him from those too when he first started, even though he's a resident and entitled to be there).

Gerritsen Beach is its own place. I'm not excusing it, but it explains so much.

Re: NY Blogger Criticized For Posting Photos of Teen Vandals

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Post by stretchwithme »

loewenskind wrote: post #45
pbiggar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Must we be accountable for every little thing we do? Of course you're right that in general people must be held accountable for their crimes. However, it's somewhat different for children, who need and deserve some protection from the stupid things they do in their youth. I fully support the punishment of the children, and any and all legal ramifications they receive, but I don't believe they should be help account…

The only reason people are scrutinized right now is because it's a small number of people (relative to actual population) having embarrassing things archived online. Once everything stupid anyone anywhere does is online either they wont be able to find your sins for the sheer noise or they wont be able to find enough candidates who don't have similar/worse things.

exactly. but it will be all important to the person committing the crime at the time and hopefully that will be the lesson they need.

and perhaps it will be a lesson to parents to know what their kid is up to. Its the mom thats really complained here and again, its better to suffer the embarrassment when its about something minor

Re: NY Blogger Criticized For Posting Photos of Teen Vandals

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Post by pyre »

Zak wrote: post #38
stretchwithme wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is advocating jail time for egging people. But you should at least get SOME negative repercussions from your behavior. A $200 fine should still enable people to turn "their lives around". They should at least be forced to clean up the mess they've made. In olden times when we lived in small villages, yes people knew when someone was being an asshole. And they remembered. One more disincentive aga…

>I don't think anyone is advocating jail time for egging people. I am. I don't think a fine effectively gets across the point that battery and vandalism are crimes , not minor violations like jaywalking. $200 is a speeding ticket, and to some upper-middle class teenagers, little more than pocket change. Three days in jail (or juvenile detention), on the other hand is most likely a novel and frightening experience tha…

  > some upper-middle class teenagers, little more
  > than pocket change
I think that my parents would be considered upper-middle class and I've never thought that $200 was pocket-change.

  > Three days in jail (or juvenile detention), on
  > the other hand is most likely a novel and frightening
  > experience that's actually likely to discourage similar
  > behavior in the future.
For some. For others it might just allow them to find bad role models more effectively.
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