The Walter White of Wichita (2016)

Post by alistairSH » Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 7:43 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #39

alistairSH wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Juuls = e-cig/vape brandname

Well my point was that they were originally intended to reduce nicotine addiction, but they are actually increasing nicotine addiction due to being perceived as safe alternative to cigarettes by teens. I suspect that legalizing drugs such that they are "cleaner and dosing more predictable" (aka "more safe") would inevitably cause an increase in usage and therefore addiction.

Sorry, I had no idea what a Juul was, and Google indicated it was a brand of e-cig. Only included the comment because I assumed other non-smokers would have no idea.

Post by barrow-rider » Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 7:47 PM UTC

krylon wrote: post #45

umvi wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, I don't think the stigma would just disappear for stuff like heroin. Hopefully there's still strong sigma for life destroying drugs like heroin, meth, etc. But as for the others it's already disappearing for marijuana, and I could easily see it disappearing for LSD, mushrooms, cocaine, etc.

Based on my personal experiences, cannabis, LSD, and mushrooms are far less destructive than alcohol, which is perfectly legal in many countries. Of course, one can easily destroy one's life with those "soft" drugs. Many people have. But simply making those illegal obviously has not helped much, either.

> cannabis, LSD, and mushrooms are far less destructive than alcohol

Alcohol is tied, heavily, to crime. As much as 70% for domestic abuse issues, and closer to 30-40% for fatal accidents, assaults, etc. The stats below are from the 90s, but a similar, if slightly lower, correlation is still true in more recent statistics [2]

> "A discussion of the sources of data on alcohol and crime encompasses the National Crime Victimization Survey; the Uniform Crime Reporting Program; the National Incident-Based Reporting Program; surveys of probationers, jail, and prison inmates; censuses of prisons and jails; and the Fatal Accident Reporting System. Regarding the role of alcohol in crime victimization, approximately 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinking at the time of the offense. Two-thirds of victims who suffered violence by an intimate reported that alcohol had been a factor. For about 1 in 5 violent victimizations that involved perceived alcohol use by the offender, victims also reported they believed the offender to have been using drugs as well. Approximately half the incidents described by the investigating officer as alcohol-related were between offenders and victims who were intimates. Data show that approximately 7 out of 10 alcohol-involved incidents of violence occurred in a residence. Among the data on drunk-driving arrests and fatal accidents are the number of such arrests. A trend analysis shows that over the last decade rates of intoxication in fatal accidents have declined across every age group. Data on the use of alcohol by convicted offenders show that among the 5.3 million convicted offenders under the jurisdiction of corrections agencies in 1996, nearly 2 million (36 percent) were estimated to have been drinking at the time of the offense. Alcohol use at the time of the offense was commonly found among those convicted of public-order crimes. "[1]

[1] https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=1686...

[2] https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/

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