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Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by cenal »

emilfihlman wrote: post #14
npmaile wrote: post #10

Now all they have to do is switch their kernel to linux, their gui to kde and get their office suite to LibreOffice, and Windows will be the perfect computer.

Windows ux is better out of the box than on any Linux so far, it's really polished. The office suite is also much better than alternatives. So just switching the kernel to Linux would be enough and super winrar.

My biggest complaints with Windows are the spying on users, the forced updates on users, the registry still existing, and the NTFS file system still being the primary file system.

The kernel is actually likable but would benefit from being open source and the GUI is a horrible blend of touch screen and legacy input hybridness that I wish never existed.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by mscasts »

alkonaut wrote: post #7
mscasts wrote: post #2

That is really something, before as a dev coming from linux when I first was about to login on a Windows Server I didn't understand how to do it since it were no SSH. Administrating the server via a GUI always felt backwards somehow. Why waste CPU cycles on rendering a UI when the CLI is so great (on linux)?

There were multiple ways to get non-GUI shells on remote machines before too. WinRm/WinRs and PowerShell are included out of the box.

Yeah sure, but this was before Powershell was available afaik.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by minxomat »

alkonaut wrote: post #7
mscasts wrote: post #2

That is really something, before as a dev coming from linux when I first was about to login on a Windows Server I didn't understand how to do it since it were no SSH. Administrating the server via a GUI always felt backwards somehow. Why waste CPU cycles on rendering a UI when the CLI is so great (on linux)?

There were multiple ways to get non-GUI shells on remote machines before too. WinRm/WinRs and PowerShell are included out of the box.

Not to mention SSH via cygwin, which worked pretty well even back on Windows XP.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by mixmastamyk »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #38
aaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows UX is really polished? Are you on Win7 by any chance?

Windows 10 has a ton of neat shortcuts for pro users that Windows 7 users miss out on (besides all the security and performance improvements). The right-click menu on the Start button alone is life-changing. (It was introduced in Windows 8.) Over the last few years, Windows 10 has seen much overdue updates to Command Prompt, Notepad, etc. The default Calculator app is now pretty awesome even. Let's see, other Windows…

Right-click on Start has always been a thing.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by udp »

curt15 wrote: post #36
emilfihlman wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows ux is better out of the box than on any Linux so far, it's really polished. The office suite is also much better than alternatives. So just switching the kernel to Linux would be enough and super winrar.

Does Linux have the equivalent of WinNT's i/o completion ports to prevent heavy I/O from freezing the user interface?

epoll

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #54
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 10 has a ton of neat shortcuts for pro users that Windows 7 users miss out on (besides all the security and performance improvements). The right-click menu on the Start button alone is life-changing. (It was introduced in Windows 8.) Over the last few years, Windows 10 has seen much overdue updates to Command Prompt, Notepad, etc. The default Calculator app is now pretty awesome even. Let's see, other Windows…

Right-click on Start has always been a thing.

I strongly suggest you compare the two. It's not even remotely the same thing. On Windows 7, right-click on start offers two options: "Properties" and "Open Windows Explorer". On the current version of Windows 10, it has eighteen options, including handy options to launch PowerShell with or without admin rights, access admin tools like Event Viewer and Device Manager, etc.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by craftyguy »

x0n wrote: post #20
taf2 wrote: post #6

So now I’m just waiting to hear Microsoft is switching its kernel to Linux. Especially after the switch to chromium.

The irony is, with Windows 10/2019, it's the other way around: Linux has switched its kernel to NT. See WSL.

> Linux has switched its kernel to NT. See WSL

This makes absolutely no sense. Linux is a kernel. If Linux 'switched its kernel to NT', it would not be Linux. Perhaps you meant the userspace, which is not dependent upon the kernel?

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by scarface74 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4
mscasts wrote: post #2

That is really something, before as a dev coming from linux when I first was about to login on a Windows Server I didn't understand how to do it since it were no SSH. Administrating the server via a GUI always felt backwards somehow. Why waste CPU cycles on rendering a UI when the CLI is so great (on linux)?

Microsoft has come a really long way recently towards moving to CLI-based management. Starting with Server 2016, the default installation method of Windows Server no longer includes most of the GUI (called the Desktop Experience), leaving you with a command prompt window in the middle of the screen instead. An even thinner version of Windows Server, Nano Server, is also available, and includes even less GUI, being mu…

I’ve been developing on and for Windows for 20 years and just started doing anything with Linux earlier this year.

If you told me I had to do anything advanced with Windows using only a CLI, I wouldn’t know where to start. On the other hand, I could maneuver my way around a bash shell. I haven’t thought about that before now.....

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by craftyguy »

emilfihlman wrote: post #14
npmaile wrote: post #10

Now all they have to do is switch their kernel to linux, their gui to kde and get their office suite to LibreOffice, and Windows will be the perfect computer.

Windows ux is better out of the box than on any Linux so far, it's really polished. The office suite is also much better than alternatives. So just switching the kernel to Linux would be enough and super winrar.

> Windows ux is better out of the box than on any Linux so far, it's really polished.

I strongly disagree. See how opinions work?

> and super winrar.

Winrar the compression utility, or is this some meme?

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