"Union agreements and seniority-based schedule assignments lead to reduced safety for passengers, as the least experienced workers are pushed the hardest and get the least amount of rest. " The reason junior officers get paid 16k a year is because there are people willing to do the job for 16k a year. Without the unions airlines could probably get volunteers (much like Greenspun who is certainly not doing it for the…
Why airlines tend to be unionized
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Re: Why airlines tend to be unionized
#52Regardless of whether the U.S. is able to maintain its trade barriers, a sustainable long-term structure would be a pilot-owned airline. If the pilots are the owners there need be no conflict concerning distributing profits. Selling the company to the union, or rather, worker-owned companies seem to be the best case solution to the "union problem" - If my employees started unionizing, that'd be my first shot at a sol…
United (UAL) would be an example of that happens when you do that (the result in my experience is resentful cabin crew who treat passengers as if they're doing us a favour by allowing us aboard their personal vehicles).
Re: Why airlines tend to be unionized
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
It adds 15 minutes to the trip. It makes no pragmatic sense to shift your crossover point back seven hours in response. But I suppose if you derive some serious negative utility from security inspections that would make sense for your personal case.
15 minutes? I have to arrive up to 2 hours earlier now. The security scan itself doesn't take so long but rather everything leading up to it.
Re: Why airlines tend to be unionized
#54A pilot's job is one of the easiest to replace with a computer. It is already happening in the military. In fact, the only actual role of a pilot today is to take off and land the plane, the rest is auto-pilot. If the unions make it so hard to employ humans, it would only give incentive to further develop auto pilots, and the problem will solve itself.
Re: Why airlines tend to be unionized
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I can fly anywhere I want with insane convenience. At least you could before 9/11. Pre-9/11 I would have flown anywhere that was more than 3 hours away. Now I would drive up to 10 hours to avoid flying.
At least you could before 9/11. Pre-9/11 I would have flown anywhere that was more than 3 hours away. Now I would drive up to 10 hours to avoid flying. I read this all the time on HN, but I fly relatively frequently I have never had a problem flying post 9/11. Flying out Denver I can get through security in 10-15 minutes tops. The biggest domestic problems I have had have either been delays at the giant airports (ATL…
Re: Why airlines tend to be unionized
#56Regardless of whether the U.S. is able to maintain its trade barriers, a sustainable long-term structure would be a pilot-owned airline. If the pilots are the owners there need be no conflict concerning distributing profits. Selling the company to the union, or rather, worker-owned companies seem to be the best case solution to the "union problem" - If my employees started unionizing, that'd be my first shot at a sol…
Re: Why airlines tend to be unionized
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It adds 15 minutes to the trip. It makes no pragmatic sense to shift your crossover point back seven hours in response. But I suppose if you derive some serious negative utility from security inspections that would make sense for your personal case.
15 minutes? I have to arrive up to 2 hours earlier now. The security scan itself doesn't take so long but rather everything leading up to it.
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#58and
...the pilots, having expected to collect 95 percent of the airline's profits, will in fact be entitled to 115 percent...
WTF! Did the pilots think about the poor entrepreneurs and shareholders who own the business?
More reason why labour should be fungible. Some unions really rile me up.
Re: Why airlines tend to be unionized
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's safe to say that Greenspun isn't working as a junior pilot for the money since not too many people making $18k/year have their own plane, helicopter and Acura NSX.
Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden got his commercial pilots license. You can assume he didn't do it for the money: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Dickinson#Aviation
Re: Why airlines tend to be unionized
#60A competent pilot union negotiator will present the airline with a plan to transfer essentially all expected future profits into the paychecks of pilots and ...the pilots, having expected to collect 95 percent of the airline's profits, will in fact be entitled to 115 percent... WTF! Did the pilots think about the poor entrepreneurs and shareholders who own the business? More reason why labour should be fungible. Some…