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Facial recognition: It’s time for action

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Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

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I understand there is some overlap and some divergence between the perils of poor privacy practices and pervasive facial recognition, but doesn't addressing the former help with the latter somewhat?

It might seem like I'm trying be on the side of the perfect against the good, but there is room for both efforts without stifling either. A holistic approach to privacy in general would help inform the values necessary towards the responsible use of facial recognition technology.

Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Total citizen surveillance is coming, everyone's location history will be in a database and kept for years, just like phone call metadata. I am under the assumption that it's already here since whoever carries a mobile phone is already under surveillance since the mobile networks share info with the government, the license plate readers see who is traveling on the roads, and electronic financial records show your tr…

I use cash, public transport (which is awesome in Europe), almost always have my cellphone switched to airplane mode (going online via WiFi occasionally e.g. to check for new messages) and only turn its GPS on about 5 times a year for rather short durations of time and am pretty happy.

So there aren't any cameras on public transport, or at the stations? Or on any of the buildings you walk past? Or at any of the stores you enter, or on light/power poles on public streets?

I haven't kept up with EU currency security features, but I remember reading how they keep trying to put RFID chips/fibers in them for tracking. They're currently using magnetic ink[1] that can be read via scanners as you walk past. There might be other tracking features that aren't disclosed.

> Some areas of the euro notes feature magnetic ink. For example, the rightmost church window on the €20 note is magnetic, as well as the large zero above it.

I don't think you're as anonymous as you think, even with all of the steps you've taken.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes#Security_featur...

Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

#53

This is a laudable first step in advocacy for real regulation of a technology that already has huge impacts on privacy and civil society. I was in the room for one of the meetings with Microsoft's senior leadership as a representative of a Seattle-based civil liberties group. While our coalition would like to see MS go further, it was quite clear that they take their commitment to corporate responsibility and ethics…

> He also denied that Amazon had any responsibility for the negative impacts of their AI/ML technologies, or role to play in industry efforts to self-regulate.

For a period of time, there was a lot of chatter about all developers having some kind of professional oath, like doctors. Many of the approaches that were taken have issues (preclude working on smart weapons program or legal surveillance).

I wonder if what we really need is a developers oath along the following:

"Anything I build can and will be abused. I am responsible for my designs, for my products, and for the data I collect and store. If my technology is used for evil, I am responsible."

Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

#54

Biometrics are creeping into everyday life. One of my local gyms this week switched to requiring fingerprints or you were barred from access. Another local gym uses facial recognition for entrance, although you can choose to have a member card instead if you ask for it directly, they don't list it as an option. Thankfully in the EU we have GDPR. It considers biometrics as a similar sensitivity to medical data, so unl…

My gym also uses facial recognition, but does it via a person sitting behind a desk checking that my member ID matches my face. I don't think many people are uncomfortable with this process, and this biometric method has been used for a long time.

Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If consent is not given then that can not bar you from service. But they probably can increase the price to cover "administrative costs/..."

in somewhat functional markets that are subject to competition, companies cannot arbitrarily raise prices.

In markets where a "Privacy Fee" is considered standard, the price raise will not be considered arbitrary. I fear this is a potential reality.

Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

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post #54

Biometrics are creeping into everyday life. One of my local gyms this week switched to requiring fingerprints or you were barred from access. Another local gym uses facial recognition for entrance, although you can choose to have a member card instead if you ask for it directly, they don't list it as an option. Thankfully in the EU we have GDPR. It considers biometrics as a similar sensitivity to medical data, so unl…

My gym also uses facial recognition, but does it via a person sitting behind a desk checking that my member ID matches my face. I don't think many people are uncomfortable with this process, and this biometric method has been used for a long time.

Yes, but there are few chances that the person sitting behind the deck will be the target of a brain cyberattack!

Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

#57

This is a laudable first step in advocacy for real regulation of a technology that already has huge impacts on privacy and civil society. I was in the room for one of the meetings with Microsoft's senior leadership as a representative of a Seattle-based civil liberties group. While our coalition would like to see MS go further, it was quite clear that they take their commitment to corporate responsibility and ethics…

> He also denied that Amazon had any responsibility for the negative impacts of their AI/ML technologies, or role to play in industry efforts to self-regulate. For a period of time, there was a lot of chatter about all developers having some kind of professional oath, like doctors. Many of the approaches that were taken have issues (preclude working on smart weapons program or legal surveillance). I wonder if what we…

It's almost as if workers should own and control the means of production.

Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

#58

This is really interesting and I agree, but I think only addressing facial recognition is missing the forest for a tree. There is an underlying idea here of a person owning information about themselves and having control over it and making sure a company can not use it inappropriately. I think addressing it as only 'facial recognition' wouldn't go far enough.

There is already a circle around an individual’s health data. This represents an expansion of that circle, and I think by focusing on the technology before it becomes too deeply integrated into “the way things are” it can happen quickly, in the way that congress passed the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act in 1995.

Expanding the circle to protect more PII in general is going to be a longer fight because we’ve already let economic power and consumer behaviour develop into a strong status quo. For instance, if strong regulations came in to limit the creation of profiles for targeted advertising and that resulted in Google withdrawing free email accounts from the market, it might not have a lot of popular support.

Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

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post #54

Biometrics are creeping into everyday life. One of my local gyms this week switched to requiring fingerprints or you were barred from access. Another local gym uses facial recognition for entrance, although you can choose to have a member card instead if you ask for it directly, they don't list it as an option. Thankfully in the EU we have GDPR. It considers biometrics as a similar sensitivity to medical data, so unl…

My gym also uses facial recognition, but does it via a person sitting behind a desk checking that my member ID matches my face. I don't think many people are uncomfortable with this process, and this biometric method has been used for a long time.

Yes, but that person can't copy your biometric data stored in their brain, convert it to a standardized format, and distribute it to millions of other devices.

Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action

#60

Biometrics are creeping into everyday life. One of my local gyms this week switched to requiring fingerprints or you were barred from access. Another local gym uses facial recognition for entrance, although you can choose to have a member card instead if you ask for it directly, they don't list it as an option. Thankfully in the EU we have GDPR. It considers biometrics as a similar sensitivity to medical data, so unl…

Sort of a tangent, but I wonder if there are any EU countries that have mandatory biometric ID cards. After a cursory (5-10 minute) search I found countries that either used to have ID cards but currently don't, used to have biometric ID cards but currently don't require biometrics, or have biometric ID cards that are optional. It does seem likely that in the future some country will, if it hasn't already, concede and mandate ID cards that contain biometrics.

Practically, anyway, GDPR seems like a much more effective measure.

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