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Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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Re: Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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> There might be a race between the recognition software and the circumvention technology I wanna see someone successfully circumvent scent-based tracking. A dog has a sense of smell a million times more sensitive than a human and can track people over miles, even when a trail is days old. Imagine a network of 100,000 passive scent trackers as sensitive as dog noses, hooked up to the same centralized AI and recogniti…

>A dog has a sense of smell a million times more sensitive than a human and can track people over miles, even when a trail is days old. Dogs don't work very well in urban areas and there's plenty of tricks to throw dogs off your trail.

Even in rural areas, getting in a car usually means the end of where a dog can track someone.

Re: Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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Someone that does not want to be tracked by facial or gait recognition, either because he's a criminal or a political activist, will always be able to do that. There might be a race between the recognition software and the circumvention technology, but a dedicated individual will always be able to avoid that. Normal people without any criminal, terrorist or activist intentions will be victims of this massive surveill…

> Someone that does not want to be tracked by facial or gait recognition, either because he's a criminal or a political activist, will always be able to do that. But if the system is not able to assign a face to a specific identity, it might immediately mark them as "suspicious". You'd have to bypass the system by really putting on the appearance of a face within the database.

Yes, someone with unknown identity, using a burner phone (or no phone) and only spending cash is going to stand out.

State actors or suitably competent criminals may be able to use fake personas though.

Re: Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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Someone that does not want to be tracked by facial or gait recognition, either because he's a criminal or a political activist, will always be able to do that. There might be a race between the recognition software and the circumvention technology, but a dedicated individual will always be able to avoid that. Normal people without any criminal, terrorist or activist intentions will be victims of this massive surveill…

"Someone that does not want to be tracked by facial or gait recognition, either because he's a criminal or a political activist"

Or just someone that doesnt want to be tracked by everyone..

Re: Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There might be a race between the recognition software and the circumvention technology I wanna see someone successfully circumvent scent-based tracking. A dog has a sense of smell a million times more sensitive than a human and can track people over miles, even when a trail is days old. Imagine a network of 100,000 passive scent trackers as sensitive as dog noses, hooked up to the same centralized AI and recogniti…

>A dog has a sense of smell a million times more sensitive than a human and can track people over miles, even when a trail is days old. Dogs don't work very well in urban areas and there's plenty of tricks to throw dogs off your trail.

I did not mean literally using dogs, but passive sensors installed, e.g. in lampposts.

I'd like to see your tricks for dealing with 100,000 such sensors, one on every street corner.

(also: https://www.canidae.com/blog/2015/10/can-you-throw-off-a-tra...

"In fact, Adam found that it was basically impossible to throw off the scent of a Bloodhound. He crossed a 100 foot wide, waist high river. He changed clothes, poured cologne and coffee on himself, threw smelly fish along the trail and used scent enzyme erasers to try to eliminate his scent.")

May the odds be ever in your favor!

Re: Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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"Yes we can so this", technically, facial recognition is now there. "Why are we doing this?" Singapore is an already incredibly safe place with pride in the effectiveness of the rule of law. The screenshot, as captioned: > SenseTime surveillance software identifying details about people and vehicles runs as a demonstration at the company's office in Beijing, China, October 11, 2017. REUTERS/Thomas Peter/File Photo Im…

Am European citizen, I don’t care for Singapore and I won’t plan to visit it any time soon because 1) they’re too expensive for what they’re offering as a tourist destination and 2) they’re a police State. At the same time one of my closest friends has included it as part of his “potential places to emigrate as an IT professional”, so it looks like some people plain don’t care about the type of stuff described in thi…

I met an IT professional when I was in Singapore last year. He wanted to convince me it's a brilliant place to live, citing the advantage of very cheap labor. He told me they (he was married with 2 kids) have an Indian woman working in their household. He provides her food and shelter; she does the cooking, dishes, cleaning, etc., and makes enough money to send it home. But: she's only allowed in the state as long as she's employed by him. Her family in India is dependent on her income, and so she works really hard because she can't afford to get fired. She gets one day per week off, at least on paper - she often (voluntarily, he noted) works 7 days a week. He tried to sell this setup as a positive, though I left quite alienated.

Re: Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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And yet crime still does occur, and lifestyle choices are severely punished by jail, death, loss of career and loss of residency. And by lifestyle choices I mean being gay, smoking weed, or being Malay. I would quite literally live in any Chinese city before chosing Singapore. At least China would be cheaper.

Being Malay? Explain please

Malays can be denied permanent residency permits even if they are married to a Singaporean citizen.

My ex is Singaporean and I (white American) was denied work permit, so I researched it intently. We were considering marriage until we saw the thousands of Malays who were unsuccessful despite marriage.

Really hidden and heartbreaking. And that's just one example of Han Chinese racism

Re: Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A dog has a sense of smell a million times more sensitive than a human and can track people over miles, even when a trail is days old. Dogs don't work very well in urban areas and there's plenty of tricks to throw dogs off your trail.

I did not mean literally using dogs, but passive sensors installed, e.g. in lampposts. I'd like to see your tricks for dealing with 100,000 such sensors, one on every street corner. (also: https://www.canidae.com/blog/2015/10/can-you-throw-off-a-tra... "In fact, Adam found that it was basically impossible to throw off the scent of a Bloodhound. He crossed a 100 foot wide, waist high river. He changed clothes, poured…

Does such a scent sensor actually exist outside the nose of some animals?

Re: Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not mean literally using dogs, but passive sensors installed, e.g. in lampposts. I'd like to see your tricks for dealing with 100,000 such sensors, one on every street corner. (also: https://www.canidae.com/blog/2015/10/can-you-throw-off-a-tra... "In fact, Adam found that it was basically impossible to throw off the scent of a Bloodhound. He crossed a 100 foot wide, waist high river. He changed clothes, poured…

Does such a scent sensor actually exist outside the nose of some animals?

Maybe, there are the electronic noses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_nose But I'm not so sure how sensitive they are.

Re: Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears

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Worst part is, you can't just go and destroy them because they will know who did it.

You could do it with a laser from quite some distance. Stronger LED can also kill the sensor.

I would also pay kids that tend to like kicking lampposts.

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