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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by scarface74 »

thrower123 wrote: post #45
Pxtl wrote: post #40

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If we're going to talk about "mothball without formally announcing deprecation" Microsoft is pretty awful for that too. There are so many zombie libraries and frameworks and tools in the Microsoft family, and they never have the decency to say "stop using that". Even windows.forms was default in visual studio until like 2013 or so.

I'm convinced that as long as there is a Windows operating system based on the Win32 API, WinForms cannot die. It's still the nicest and most productive way to build GUI apps I've seen. Maybe not the prettiest, but it just works.

Not only will it not die, they are porting it over to .Net Core - Windows only.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by manigandham »

Google has great primitives. But they are very slow in releasing new features, and what they do provide is only offered in "the google way".

AWS and Azure might not have everything packaged as clean, functional, scalable components, but instead they look at what companies are using today and just offer a managed version of it as quickly as possible, with a constant stream of updates. They apply the iterative process of startups to the cloud, and this means that actual startups can get going 10x faster.

We run primarily on GCP because almost all of our needs are GKE/VMs, but 100% of our managed services come from AWS and Azure.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by asadlionpk »

scarface74 wrote: post #47
matchagaucho wrote: post #38

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The inability to connect with a real human when escalating Google Cloud issues seems to be recurring theme on HN.

I can’t speak to Azure, but with a business support plan, it’s really easy to connect with a human on AWS. My experience is that they won’t give up until they resolve your issue. They’ve even gone as far as creating a simplified CloudFormation stack to duplicate the issue and then talk to their developers and get back to you.

I have been using Azure and their support is top notch too.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by meddlepal »

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #12
partiallypro wrote: post #6

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Explain, how it is horrible from a tech perspective? (hint: it's not) Edit: I'm getting downvoted, but no one as of yet has shown how Azure is built on horrible tech compared to its peers. It's just a flat lie, none of the big 3 are built on horrible tech. It's just being dishonest and is basically fanboyism/hatred of one party. You can argue about UI you like or don't (I prefer Azure) you can argue about APIs, their…

The UI is, um, lets say, very unconventional for non-windows folks. It is extremely sluggish compared to AWS or GCP. As in, each page takes several seconds+ to fully load vs AWS/GCP. Maybe this is just for me, or an IE vs Chrome issue or something, I'm not sure. The horizontal panning in the UI is pretty strange for the uninitiated too. Everyone else, the entire internet pretty much scrolls up/down on a web page but…

Hearing that the UI in Azure is sluggish compared to GCP's craptacular UI... is disappointing.

I still don't know how Google can be so bad at creating responsive user interfaces.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by scarface74 »

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #22
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #12

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The UI is, um, lets say, very unconventional for non-windows folks. It is extremely sluggish compared to AWS or GCP. As in, each page takes several seconds+ to fully load vs AWS/GCP. Maybe this is just for me, or an IE vs Chrome issue or something, I'm not sure. The horizontal panning in the UI is pretty strange for the uninitiated too. Everyone else, the entire internet pretty much scrolls up/down on a web page but…

Enterprises tend to automate cloud deployments once they've gotten past the initial phases. Comparing UI is valid but also compare the Restful APIs, SDKs and template driven automation tooling across clouds.

You give way too much credit to most enterprise infrastructure guys.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by twunde »

One thing that Azure has really done a good job at is compliance. According to their latest report there are 13 services that aren't HIPAA-compliant, where most of their services are. Compared to Google or AWS that's a major jump in what's usable for companies with compliance needs. That plus their aggression in converting on-prem customers to the cloud (last I heard they were buying up datacenters) has helped them become #2 in the cloud space

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by ChuckMcM »

lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I see the same thing, it was also IBM's cloud services pitch that they "understood the enterprise" better than Google or Amazon does.

It is a pain to try to compare stuff though because there aren't good standards for "cloud revenue." According to [1] IBM generated $18.5B over 12 months in cloud revenue. While Forbes[2] talks about $6.1B and $6.9B in quarterly cloud revenue of Amazon and Microsoft (a $24 - $28B annual run rate), and this from Forbes[3] in April of this year that has them at $44B(Amazon), $19B (Microsoft), and $17B (Google). Which would make Google #4 if IBM's numbers hold up under scrutiny.

I try to keep an eye on these numbers to maintain a sense of the shifting landscape, and it doesn't seem like Google has yet found the right combination of goods and services to really be solid in this space yet.

[1] https://www.lightreading.com/enterprise-cloud/infrastructure...

[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobevans1/2018/08/03/1-microsof...

[3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2018/04/30/cloud-r...

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by innocentoldguy »

The last company I worked for used Azure. I had never used Azure before and the thought of using a Microsoft product was a bit off-putting during my interview, to be honest (yeah, I admit to being one of those old-school, Microsoft-sucks dinosaurs from the 1990s). After using it for a few days, I had a change of heart. The documentation is pretty good and their tech support guys were extremely helpful. They would even call me back several days after the fact to make sure their suggestions were working and that I was having a good experience on the platform. In my experience, their UI made sense, their documentation was decent, and their tech support was great. I think Microsoft has earned their spot in the market with Azure.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by toast0 »

briffle wrote: post #42
thanatropism wrote: post #21

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Google Maps left probably thousands of small, barely viable projects with their shorts down and no belt.

Funny how everyone here complains about Google maps changing their licensing, but nobody brings up MS changing changing from per socket to per core licensing a few years ago. That burned several medium businesses I know.

Per socket vs per core happened with a version bump right? If Google maps pricing changes only happened when you used a new api, and you could keep using your existing code with your existing prices, that would be a lot less grudge worthy.

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Post by [deleted] »

partiallypro wrote: post #6
Arqu wrote: post #5

Touching on big G trying to catch up - I've recently had some issues with GCP and while the addition of more accessible support (you can now reach some support person relatively easy) it helps little unless it's a request that they can handle with a single button press. While it now FEELS less frustrating as you have somebody to talk to, it doesn't help that I have an issue that is being ping-ponged around different…

Explain, how it is horrible from a tech perspective? (hint: it's not) Edit: I'm getting downvoted, but no one as of yet has shown how Azure is built on horrible tech compared to its peers. It's just a flat lie, none of the big 3 are built on horrible tech. It's just being dishonest and is basically fanboyism/hatred of one party. You can argue about UI you like or don't (I prefer Azure) you can argue about APIs, their…

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