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Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by skeptic_69 »

ilovecaching wrote: post #24

To me the negative press cycle involving Facebook and other advertising companies is more about the hidden war between the new age digital advertisers, and the former rulers of ads: the conventional news outlets. The news outlets will jump on any chance they can get to kill their competitors just like any other company. Without Facebook, they could become the sole source of news again, and reap the lost ad revenue th…

Facebook helped me get laid in highschool. Hi jacqueline! That is at least one positive thing..

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by Balgair »

This Times piece should be taken seriously by FB, it's shareholders, employees, and users. With good sourcing, this paints a very immature picture of the company, from leadership on down to the users.

Though the article uses the Russian interference as the launching off point, in my reading, it seems that these attacks on our democracy are essentially waived off. That the most pressing issue for Zuck was not that the families of his senior staff were being fooled (along with the rest of the voting public), but that his company may be ruined. This extremely serious, and continuing, attack on the public seems to not really matter to any of the parties involved, only that they may get 'in trouble' or lose money.

Good Lord. Where is the maturity? Where are the adults? Zuck seems like he's still 24 here, bopping about feeding calves and 'listening'. At least write up a report on your summer vacation.

The dire situations that the company (and the government) is in seems to be only taken as far as the mirrors these actors look into.

What absolute children.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by nkurz »

IBM wrote: post #43
panarky wrote: post #19

Ms. Sandberg has overseen an aggressive lobbying campaign to combat Facebook’s critics, shift public anger toward rival companies and ward off damaging regulation. Facebook employed a Republican opposition-research firm to discredit activist protesters, in part by linking them to the liberal financier George Soros. It also tapped its business relationships, persuading a Jewish civil rights group to cast some criticis…

A few months ago Bloomberg published a story which I'm 99% sure was directed by Facebook PR, in-line with their strategy being reported on in this story [1][2]. Also can any mods tell me why all my comments are dead? [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-08/is-apple-... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17719607

Also can any mods tell me why all my comments are dead?

Write to 'hn@ycombinator.com' and ask --- and report back what they say. It looks like it's because of your comment linking Russia and Assange, but it's not clear if this was because it was too pro, too anti, or just because it mentioned one or the other. I'd guess it's user flagging gone awry, but maybe it's a new automated system that's broken instead.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by stock_toaster »

I have heard apocryphal stories of people not wanting to hire ex-uber employees, because the culture there had such a bad reputation as being ethically bankrupt. I wonder if continued fb employment would make someone similarly less desirable as a hire.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by ilovecaching »

skeptic_69 wrote: post #28
ilovecaching wrote: post #20

To me the negative press cycle involving Facebook and other advertising companies is more about the hidden war between the new age digital advertisers, and the former rulers of ads: the conventional news outlets. The news outlets will jump on any chance they can get to kill their competitors just like any other company. Without Facebook, they could become the sole source of news again, and reap the lost ad revenue th…

how would hear about this story unless you are personally friends with alex stamos or zuckerberg or sandenberg? I am all for skepticism but blanket rejection of responsible journalism seems like an over-reaction. the reporting of the new york times on facebook has been continuously borne out by events.

You're asserting that it is responsible journalism. That is not a given in this debate.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by strict9 »

>On a conservative news site called the NTK Network, dozens of articles blasted Google and Apple for unsavory business practices. One story called Mr. Cook hypocritical for chiding Facebook over privacy, noting that Apple also collects reams of data from users. Another played down the impact of the Russians’ use of Facebook.

>The rash of news coverage was no accident: NTK is an affiliate of Definers, sharing offices and staff with the public relations firm in Arlington, Va. Many NTK Network stories are written by staff members at Definers or America Rising, the company’s political opposition-research arm, to attack their clients’ enemies. While the NTK Network does not have a large audience of its own, its content is frequently picked up by popular conservative outlets, including Breitbart.

Facebook employed content writers posing as journalists, as hired guns against their enemies. A page out of the playbook of the Internet Research Agency.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by gonehome »

Balgair wrote: post #52

This Times piece should be taken seriously by FB, it's shareholders, employees, and users. With good sourcing, this paints a very immature picture of the company, from leadership on down to the users. Though the article uses the Russian interference as the launching off point, in my reading, it seems that these attacks on our democracy are essentially waived off. That the most pressing issue for Zuck was not that the…

From people that work there they are hiring unlimited headcount to work on integrity teams - the goal of which is to stop the kind of manipulation that happened in the 2016 election.

Given the decisions Facebook has made Zuck seems like a really good CEO and when FB makes something their focus they usually pull it off - fixing mobile, instagram moves against snapchat, etc.

The impression I get from people that work there is that it's not just talking points.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by throwawaymath »

TrevorAustin wrote: post #29
jseliger wrote: post #11

Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative? Has Facebook seen an actual fall in monthly, weekly, or daily active users? To me, this story reads a lot like a media narrative that has very little to do with users's actual lives. And I've been reading variations on "Why Facebook sucks" and "Why Facebook is doomed" for a very long time. It's like the "Why this is the year of Linux on the desktop," but for med…

More than a quarter of Americans, and half of young people, report having deleted the flagship Facebook app from their phones in the wake of these scandals. ( https://www.recode.net/2018/9/5/17824116/delete-facebook-mar... ) The losses are offset in their topline numbers by growth in the developing world, but that's a lagging indicator, and those are much less lucrative user eyeballs. It's mitigated to the extent tho…

No. More than a quarter of Americans and half of "young people" have not reported anything about Facebook.

In point of fact, a quarter of the 4,594 people surveyed by Pew Research between May 29 and June 11 report deleting the Facebook app.[1] Of those, half who qualify as young deleted the app.

Stop getting your statistics from news. This kind of casual stats citing frustrates me beyond belief. Audit your sources.

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1. http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/201...

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