It’s scary to consider it making it to some of the large slums in Nairobi, India, or Pakistan.
That's a bit racist to call a place a slum
CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable
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Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whether the patient will see a doctor in the early or late stages of Their Ebola infection will depend on whether they have health insurance. So here’s another reason for socialized healthcare.
I don't want to pay my insurance deductible... Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... I'd be much more interested in everyone paying a reasonable amount like it was decades ago
> Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem...
This is terribly misconstruing the facts. They get to go to ER treatement only, no midterm care. The problem is if they don’t pay, their credit record is heavily penalized. This may seem like nothing but for someone with out money or means it spells a quick down hill slide to homelessness. No problem =/= homeless
FYI the #1 cause of home foreclosures in the US is medical bills
Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whether the patient will see a doctor in the early or late stages of Their Ebola infection will depend on whether they have health insurance. So here’s another reason for socialized healthcare.
I don't want to pay my insurance deductible... Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... I'd be much more interested in everyone paying a reasonable amount like it was decades ago
If you don't want to pay then don't pay no pay. The people who pay nothing have a higher insurance deductible than you because they have all these chronic health problems and they have the expensive medications that they have to take... healthcare isn't cheap, even for the people who live in socialism
Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't want to pay my insurance deductible... Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... I'd be much more interested in everyone paying a reasonable amount like it was decades ago
> Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... This is terribly misconstruing the facts. They get to go to ER treatement only, no midterm care. The problem is if they don’t pay, their credit record is heavily penalized. This may seem like nothing but for someone with out money or means it spells a quick down hill slide to homelessness. No problem =/= homeless FYI the #1 caus…
> This is terribly misconstruing the facts
When you're broke, you're broke. Just because you have health insurance doesn't mean you can afford to use it. I had better healthcare as a homeless person than as a massively indebted recent college grad with a health plan through work.
Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whether the patient will see a doctor in the early or late stages of Their Ebola infection will depend on whether they have health insurance. So here’s another reason for socialized healthcare.
Socialized healthcare doesn't really apply here. Regardless of whether or not the healthcare is free, people still go see a doctor anyway.
Even if this point were granted, the timeline is the issue at hand. When cost is an immediate and pressing concern, people delay the decision to seek out medical attention.
Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whether the patient will see a doctor in the early or late stages of Their Ebola infection will depend on whether they have health insurance. So here’s another reason for socialized healthcare.
I don't want to pay my insurance deductible... Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... I'd be much more interested in everyone paying a reasonable amount like it was decades ago
> Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem...
Those people are absolutely paying a cost; having to make healthcare decisions based on money, bad credit when you can’t pay the bill, job insecurity because you’re sick or injured, incessant (and often overtly insulting) debt collection calls/mail, and of course that perpetual gnawing anxiety that arises from knowing that all of these costs you’re paying for being poor are making you poorer.
I’m sorry you don’t like paying your deductible, though.
Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable
#57"CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable" especially as the locals insist on following traditional burial methods such as washing the deceased and sitting in for days on end with cadaver.
US, UK, France, UAE,... insist on traditional bombing of countries for peace.
Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... This is terribly misconstruing the facts. They get to go to ER treatement only, no midterm care. The problem is if they don’t pay, their credit record is heavily penalized. This may seem like nothing but for someone with out money or means it spells a quick down hill slide to homelessness. No problem =/= homeless FYI the #1 caus…
> This is terribly misconstruing the facts When you're broke, you're broke. Just because you have health insurance doesn't mean you can afford to use it. I had better healthcare as a homeless person than as a massively indebted recent college grad with a health plan through work.
How did you have better healthcare as a homeless person than through your employer? Like what were the numbers (e.g., monthly cost, deductibles, prescription cost, co-pays, and coverage). This is hard to believe.
If you're referring to EMTALA requiring emergency rooms stabilize all patients, (1) EMTALA applies to everyone, and (2) EMTALA is not healthcare.
Re: CDC director warns that Congo's Ebola outbreak may not be containable
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> This is terribly misconstruing the facts When you're broke, you're broke. Just because you have health insurance doesn't mean you can afford to use it. I had better healthcare as a homeless person than as a massively indebted recent college grad with a health plan through work.
How did you have better healthcare as a homeless person than through your employer? Like what were the numbers (e.g., monthly cost, deductibles, prescription cost, co-pays, and coverage). This is hard to believe. If you're referring to EMTALA requiring emergency rooms stabilize all patients, (1) EMTALA applies to everyone, and (2) EMTALA is not healthcare.
Medi-Cal was free. Basically everything covered on Medi-Cal was free, or super cheap, and it covered a lot. While on my health insurance plan provided by work, the job where I wasn't making enough money to save or meet my deductible, I got into a bicycle accident & ended up with a $50,000 USD out-of-network hospital bill.
In case you don't know, one of the reasons that some chronically homeless people don't have healthcare is that many don't bother to get it. There's guy in my neighborhood that told me he hasn't gone (but probably should go) to our local government to get his $100-ish/month, food stamps, and healthcare. Also, he ends up in a local emergency room because someone calls an ambulance when he's drunk, passed, and shaking out on the sidewalk. I've called an ambulance a few times for people in that state myself. He also ends up in the emergency room because he routinely gets assaulted while sleeping on the street because there's are not enough shelters for him.