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Re: The unsolved murder of an unusual billionaire

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I am kind of surprised billionaires and CEOs don't order each others' killings more often. I was doing homework one night and the building next door's top 2 floors were blown up because some banker had a hit placed on his head. So perhaps I have pretty low expectations on what powerful people without morals can do.

It is indeed surprising because the profit motive is there and it is not limited to just rival billionaires. Any random guy with enough capital can short the company stock and then place a hit on the CEO. I would expect stuff like that to happen super often but I don't think I have even heard of one real case like this.

One factor is that it’s really hard to find loyal henchmen to perform hits who won’t later blackmail you or squeal to the police in return for a plea bargain. You need an organization to enforce loyalty down a chain of command, like any crime syndicate, and it’s hard to keep that a secret.

It’s better to apply your energies to creating things.

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It is indeed surprising because the profit motive is there and it is not limited to just rival billionaires. Any random guy with enough capital can short the company stock and then place a hit on the CEO. I would expect stuff like that to happen super often but I don't think I have even heard of one real case like this.

I would expect stuff like that to happen super often but I don't think I have even heard of one real case like this. At the risk of stating the obvious: did this realization that reality fails to match your predictions cause you to question your model or your predictions?

Yea it did but editing the original comment makes it boring.

I looked up the percentage swings caused by CEO deaths and it's actually not that big and not always a definite drop. So it wasn't as surely profitable as I thought. A murderous whitecollar sociopath probably has tons of other lower risk crimes he can commit instead. A typical insider trade would probably make him more.

Also I am not really sure hitmen exist outside of movies... I can't verify this without putting myself on some list though.

(Hello FBI! This is just morbid hypotheticals. I am not advocating serially murdering CEOs for profit)

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I am kind of surprised billionaires and CEOs don't order each others' killings more often. I was doing homework one night and the building next door's top 2 floors were blown up because some banker had a hit placed on his head. So perhaps I have pretty low expectations on what powerful people without morals can do.

A billionaire has a lot to lose if he ever gets caught. Why risk even a small chance of spending the rest of your life in prison with the common criminals you detest so much? Unless the stakes are extremely high, it's better to forget about the few tens of millions you didn't make and just chill in your yacht. Meanwhile, the modern legal system offers a much better way to destroy your rivals, take their money, and pu…

A billionaire has as much to lose as almost anyone else. You don’t perceive wealth as “more to lose”.

Re: The unsolved murder of an unusual billionaire

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This one struck a little close to home as less than three weeks earlier I had met them at a fundraising event. At the time I really didn't know who they were but the names came back when the news broke a few weeks later. They just seemed like a nice couple in the admittedly very short few minutes I spoke with them.

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Of course it happens, less in USA and only because FBI will send 500 agents to find the killer. Killing a billionaire or a politician it's hard and risky but that only increases the price. Boom or bust

Yeah, but where did this happen? I mean, what city? and when? I'd just like to read about what happened.

I would guess Russia.

Re: The unsolved murder of an unusual billionaire

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Of course it happens, less in USA and only because FBI will send 500 agents to find the killer. Killing a billionaire or a politician it's hard and risky but that only increases the price. Boom or bust

Yeah, but where did this happen? I mean, what city? and when? I'd just like to read about what happened.

One https://www.reuters.com/article/us-albania-banks-shooting-id...

Re: The unsolved murder of an unusual billionaire

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Yeah, but where did this happen? I mean, what city? and when? I'd just like to read about what happened.

I would guess Russia.

Aluminum wars https://www.google.com/search?q=+Aluminium+Wars

Almost certain that there's a market: want X killed? It will cost you this much.

Re: The unsolved murder of an unusual billionaire

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I am kind of surprised billionaires and CEOs don't order each others' killings more often. I was doing homework one night and the building next door's top 2 floors were blown up because some banker had a hit placed on his head. So perhaps I have pretty low expectations on what powerful people without morals can do.

> I was doing homework one night and the building next door's top 2 floors were blown up because some banker had a hit placed on his head... Wait. What? Did this really happen somewhere? (Sorry for the question if it's stupid, I just was unaware of all of this.)

> Did this really happen somewhere?

It was in Eastern Europe. I was about 15 at the time based on remembering the friend I called after it happened. Assassinations were pretty common, granted not using bombs like that especially in a busy residential area.

Re: The unsolved murder of an unusual billionaire

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Of course it happens, less in USA and only because FBI will send 500 agents to find the killer. Killing a billionaire or a politician it's hard and risky but that only increases the price. Boom or bust

Yeah, but where did this happen? I mean, what city? and when? I'd just like to read about what happened.

Not gonna say the exact place and city not sure it matters. But seeing people's couches, tables, kitchens, toys all exposed via a big hole in the building was pretty surreal and kind of hard to forget. Pretty sure I didn't dream that, as you seem to be wondering.

The amazing thing is nobody got killed, many people in the surrounding apartment were lucky, or not home. Even the banker was not killed.

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I am kind of surprised billionaires and CEOs don't order each others' killings more often. I was doing homework one night and the building next door's top 2 floors were blown up because some banker had a hit placed on his head. So perhaps I have pretty low expectations on what powerful people without morals can do.

My observation is that elites tend towards keeping around multiple forms of mutual blackmail in their pockets so that they stay in a cease-fire arrangement: e.g. all the conspiracy/cult stories where everyone is made an equal participant in some crime or disturbing ritual. This allows them to avoid simply killing each other(too risky) while still allowing credible threats to power, and gatekeeping contenders who won'…

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