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Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by stephengillie »

dkoston wrote: post #20
aerovistae wrote: post #11

I'd be more impressed by this if they had fixed the problem where the car crashes into barriers at lane divergences. Kind of a turn-off to the whole thing until that's fixed, to be honest. Frankly I don't understand how the company hasn't been buried in lawsuits for this. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9pkvy0/psa_v9_...

That actually is a part of v9 autopilot but Tesla is never going to put that in writing. The fixing of bugs like this without admission of guilt isn’t unique to Tesla. Apple, Google, Samsung, and many others do the same. The reason they haven’t been buried in a lawsuit is because these are driver assistance features, not self driving features. It’s the responsibility of the driver to keep control of their car at all…

I'm surprised regulators don't force Tesla to rebrand the driver assistance package to a name that doesn't deceive drivers.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by dkoston »

stephengillie wrote: post #51
dkoston wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That actually is a part of v9 autopilot but Tesla is never going to put that in writing. The fixing of bugs like this without admission of guilt isn’t unique to Tesla. Apple, Google, Samsung, and many others do the same. The reason they haven’t been buried in a lawsuit is because these are driver assistance features, not self driving features. It’s the responsibility of the driver to keep control of their car at all…

I'm surprised regulators don't force Tesla to rebrand the driver assistance package to a name that doesn't deceive drivers.

Would love to see that kind of consumer protection across the board. Almost every US ad looks like this these days:

100% effective, works wonders, fully natural!

(These statements haven’t been validated by any organization; our product may not be effective at all. Natural has no legal meaning but it seems good for you! Actually, our product is a placebo but thanks for throwing away your money!)

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by wffurr »

RayVR wrote: post #33
wffurr wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Double the deaths per VMT. https://www.newsweek.com/2014/04/04/you-drive-american-24806...

I think attributing that to the design of the roads is kinda silly. We have very low standards when it comes to acquiring a license to operate a vehicle.

I think attributing it to any one cause is kind of silly. It's a fact that American cities are much more car centric with higher speeds and fewer areas with traffic calming measures, all of which make the roads much safer.

Daily highway driving is much more common for commutes and errands, suburbs have dangerous arterial street designs.

I'm sure there's more to it, such as licensing and vehicle safety measures, but American highway design (and making local roads into mini highways) is a part of it.

Also the EU measure is EU-wide, and not all countries in the EU are as strict as say Germany for licensing.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by wffurr »

moogly wrote: post #28
wffurr wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that you consider US highways and streets to be well designed, given that they are objectively substantially more lethal to their users than European roads.

There might be additional factors. a) training and education - it is way more difficult and takes longer to get a driver's licence in Western Europe than in the US b) mandatory vehicle inspections - I think this varies by state in the US, but even the strictest state legislation is still less strict than Western European countries when it comes to allowing dangerous vehicles on the roads c) less regulation for truck…

Sure. But highway design, car centric cities, and high-speed suburban arterials are a factor as well.

The deaths per VMT measure is EU-wide, not just Western Europe.

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by danielmg »

dkoston wrote: post #22
Theodores wrote: post #2

Very impressive. However these autopilot features are getting subjectively less impressive as time goes on. I want a bit more 'wow'. Autopilot is not so compelling if you live in Europe with 'analog' roads rather than the mix of well designed, nice and wide 'residential', 'street level' and 'interstate highway' roads that there are in the U.S.A. Reminds me of Space Shuttle launches, at the start of the programme peop…

You’re going to be disappointed for quite some time then. Most of the improvements to autopilot in the near future will be refinement of the cars reactions to sensor data and not new public facing features. They are closing in on the line where regulation does not allow for further “self driving” festures. Having the car change lanes itself is “self driving” and that’s why the driver must initiate the lane change. Th…

My 2018 Mercedes E class can do lane changes - I just have to put the signal on and it does the rest. They call it "Drive Pilot". It seems to be just as advanced as Tesla but much less "marketed".

Re: Introducing Navigate on Autopilot

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Post by dkoston »

danielmg wrote: post #55
dkoston wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re going to be disappointed for quite some time then. Most of the improvements to autopilot in the near future will be refinement of the cars reactions to sensor data and not new public facing features. They are closing in on the line where regulation does not allow for further “self driving” festures. Having the car change lanes itself is “self driving” and that’s why the driver must initiate the lane change. Th…

My 2018 Mercedes E class can do lane changes - I just have to put the signal on and it does the rest. They call it "Drive Pilot". It seems to be just as advanced as Tesla but much less "marketed".

Yup, Audi offers similar driver assists with lane changes(https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/technology-lexicon-7180/...), Land Rover has lane keeping (https://www.landrover.com/ownership/incontrol/driver-assista...), so do Honda/Acura (https://www.acura.com/rlx/modals/lane-keeping-assist-system-...) and many more.

I agree that Tesla overhypes their system the most and that contributes to consumer confusion. They use the classic Silicon Valley tactic of making their features which are comparable to competitors seem light years ahead through marketing. On one hand, it sucks for consumers, on the other hand, this type of advertising is rampant and they are playing the game.

Tesla’s over promising does erode trust. There’s only so many times you can promise stuff that’s obviously overhyped or years out (FSD) before consumers will stop believing the hype.

What’s interesting about Tesla is that almost all of their controversy is self inflicted by Elon’s comments.

What’s not clear to me is if this is intentional as he wants to stay in the news cycle or if it’s driven by his ego.

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