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Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#51
post #49

They've probably exhausted RWD demand backlog so I wouldn't be surprised if this was (initially)a software-limited long range battery, so that they can sell their RWD inventory.

Didn't they previously stop doing software-limited batteries after people got annoyed by it? Seems weird that they would start doing it again.

They're doing it with performance models. Their hardware is basically identical to non-performance AWD.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#52
post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

The $7500 incentive halves this month, it’s too late to get it ATM.

I keep seeing people saying "it's too late", but the order page literally says "All customers are eligible for the full $7,500 Federal Tax Credit if they take delivery by the end of the year."

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#53
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly think the biggest cost associated with this program is the sensors?

If it's only a software update, when most of ML efforts are open sourced, I don't see why I can't install my own solution.

> I don't see why I can't install my own solution

You'd kill yourself and become Tesla's PR problem.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#54
post #42

I really can't bring myself to buy a new car but this would be about the most enticing. Even if I were wealthy I would probably still buy used cars (and my hobby is racing so it is not as if I don't appreciate cars).

at high 'racing' speeds, perhaps you should be aware that it doesn't have the best aerodynamics for road-holding (i.e. negative lift or downforce). also many people have reported some vibration issues that couldn't be resolved; https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/vibration-high-speeds

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#55

They've probably exhausted RWD demand backlog so I wouldn't be surprised if this was (initially)a software-limited long range battery, so that they can sell their RWD inventory.

That would be incredibly environmentally irresponsible, considering the impact of mining lithium, cobalt, rare earths etc. You'd basically be wasting limited resources, which would run contrary to Tesla's stated mission of creating a more sustainable future.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#56
post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

The $7500 incentive halves this month, it’s too late to get it ATM.

As long as you take delivery before Jan 1, you will get the $7500 federal tax credit. Tesla said you had to order by Oct 15th to guarantee delivery before then.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#57
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the cars I plan to buy also don't use gasoline. Ex: Chevy Volt, or the Prius Prime. I dunno, I find it dishonest. Any electric vehicle shopper knows that gasoline is a major cost-driver and reason to buy electric instead. The Chevy Volt is currently $33,520. Then gets a $7500 Federal Credit (and unlike Tesla, Chevy hasn't run out yet. If your Tesla 3 is delivered in January 2019, you only get $3750 in credits). A…

What are the ramifications of never changing the gas in a hybrid like the Volt? Does it “go bad” eventually?

The Volt has something called "maintenance mode", which starts the engine about every 4-6 weeks, and does a process a little more involved every few months or so to burn gas that would go bad.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#58
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the cars I plan to buy also don't use gasoline. Ex: Chevy Volt, or the Prius Prime. I dunno, I find it dishonest. Any electric vehicle shopper knows that gasoline is a major cost-driver and reason to buy electric instead. The Chevy Volt is currently $33,520. Then gets a $7500 Federal Credit (and unlike Tesla, Chevy hasn't run out yet. If your Tesla 3 is delivered in January 2019, you only get $3750 in credits). A…

What are the ramifications of never changing the gas in a hybrid like the Volt? Does it “go bad” eventually?

That is a concern. I am a happy driver of a Chevy Volt, and in daily commuting only ever use battery. The practices I use to preserve gas in the tank for long-term storage are:

* Keep the tank full of gas: air space is prone to condensation

* Avoid ethanol-added gasoline, it's more hypro-philic

* Add a fuel stabilizer (like 1 fl oz per 5 gallon)

* live in California, it's really dry.

These are adapted from techniques for winter storage of cars.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's only a software update, when most of ML efforts are open sourced, I don't see why I can't install my own solution.

> I don't see why I can't install my own solution You'd kill yourself and become Tesla's PR problem.

comma.ai seemed safe, technically is no different in term of softwares used. Tesla auto-pilot did kill more than 10 people now. Why pay for something that might be inferior than the free one?

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

#60

They've probably exhausted RWD demand backlog so I wouldn't be surprised if this was (initially)a software-limited long range battery, so that they can sell their RWD inventory.

That would be incredibly environmentally irresponsible, considering the impact of mining lithium, cobalt, rare earths etc. You'd basically be wasting limited resources, which would run contrary to Tesla's stated mission of creating a more sustainable future.

My guess is that all the battery is used and the extra capacity allows for a "full" charge without really getting full. It could also let the range stay at the original level for a lot longer as the battery deteriorates. I would hope so anyway.
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