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Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by chrisper »

zamadatix wrote: post #17
chrisper wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not true 10Gbit. It's only 10Gbit to some pole and then it is shared. Besides their customer service is horrendous.

> It's not true 10Gbit. It's only 10Gbit to some pole and then it is shared. As opposed to a dedicated direct 10 gigabit line to every other internet device? Everything is always shared unless you request a dedicated circuit between a given set of points. Sometimes the over subscription ratio is just shit, which is a real thing to complain about.

The true "TH" Of FTTH is usually not shared. At least in my country it isn't.

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by nodesocket »

justinclift wrote: post #50
nodesocket wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope so. My EdgeRouter X is scheduled to come tomorrow. I have a fiber connection box coming in, which outputs RJ45. I am assuming the AT&T router can be replaced as it is just doing DHCP to get my public IP.

It probably also does authentication to the upstream network, so it knows who's connecting and can provide usage metrics. The auth protocols are generally standardised though, so you shouldn't have too much trouble. :)

Would the auth information showup in the AT&T modem admin page? They doesn't use PPPOE, just standard DHCP. Just hoping they don't filter by Mac address upstream.

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by jlgaddis »

nodesocket wrote: post #42
romed wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be able to route 10gbps with a whitebox PC containing a recent intel Core CPU (say, 5th gen or later) and a decent NIC such as Intel X540 or similar.

Sure, but that NIC is $274, so not cheap for casual home users. [1] https://m.newegg.com/products/9SIA4A04ZV6491

Casual home users don't need 10 Gbps to the home.

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by jlgaddis »

nodesocket wrote: post #52
justinclift wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably also does authentication to the upstream network, so it knows who's connecting and can provide usage metrics. The auth protocols are generally standardised though, so you shouldn't have too much trouble. :)

Would the auth information showup in the AT&T modem admin page? They doesn't use PPPOE, just standard DHCP. Just hoping they don't filter by Mac address upstream.

On (V)DSL, they use 802.1X, not sure about their fiber service. That's what forces me to use their "home gateway" (since it auths using the certificate in the device).

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by arghwhat »

romed wrote: post #23
arghwhat wrote: post #13

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Coax is a fuck-ton better than telephone cables. Optics for the win, but as long as old cabling is all we got, I'd sure as hell prefer coax over telephone wiring.

UTP is fine for 10gig, and in fact it has much longer reach, 55m-100m depending on cable quality, compared to twinaxial which is only defined by the standards to 15m. Twinax is also bulkier and costs more. Coax isn't defined for 10g, so it's basically worthless. Certainly not "a fuckton better" since there are literally no coax physical modules for 10g.

Wow, what a mixup of terminology.

We're on a thread about residential internet modems. In this context, "coax" means "DOCSIS" (i.e. internet over cable TV), as opposed to fiber and telephone (DSL). UTP is absolutely useless as a residential uplink, as 100 meter gets you nowhere. Telephone cables are shit, so DOCSIS and fiber is where its at.

However, you seem to be talking about direct attach cable ("DAC"), which absolutely no one mentioned. As someone who worked at a network equipment manufacturer, absolutely no one calls direct attach cables "coax". They're often called "twinax" (which is a type of coax), although this terminology is misleading and entirely irrelevant. Also, they're kind of pointless these days.

And no, while 10GBase-T is a thing, the pluggables are too expensive to make the activity worthwhile. Run fiber—it's not really more expensive, and it's future proof for when you need to setup 25G or 40G soon.

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by arghwhat »

djrogers wrote: post #30
romed wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UTP is fine for 10gig, and in fact it has much longer reach, 55m-100m depending on cable quality, compared to twinaxial which is only defined by the standards to 15m. Twinax is also bulkier and costs more. Coax isn't defined for 10g, so it's basically worthless. Certainly not "a fuckton better" since there are literally no coax physical modules for 10g.

UTP != ‘telephone cables’. Comparing in ground neighborhood wiring to spec’d Ethernet cabling is like comparing apples to steak.

We need to add something to the analogy to indicate how the ethernet cable (the steak) is shit at residential cabling.

Maybe directly eating (internal networking) vs. making cider (residential uplinks)? I do know that I do not wish to try steak cider.

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by ekblom »

shroom wrote: post #29

I have Bahnhof 100/100 at the moment. Effectivly (through wi-fi/AirPort) on a lucky day I get like 50% out of it on average. This offer is 1000% increase in capacity for a 20% price increase and changing router? Seems too good to be true and stupid if not upgrading. But I suspect it’s only full capacity at like one place in Stockholm. Bit strange that they choose to partner with Huawei. Doesnt feel Bahnhof especially…

I have 100/100 and always get 120% of that over wired and wifi (two unifi ap ac lr).

Also, i can't get the 10gbit where i live, so probably only the big cities connected to "Northern Light".

edit: remark about availability

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by justinclift »

nodesocket wrote: post #52
justinclift wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably also does authentication to the upstream network, so it knows who's connecting and can provide usage metrics. The auth protocols are generally standardised though, so you shouldn't have too much trouble. :)

Would the auth information showup in the AT&T modem admin page? They doesn't use PPPOE, just standard DHCP. Just hoping they don't filter by Mac address upstream.

Interesting. If they do use the device MAC address, that could turn out to be really easy. :)

Mac address spoofing is super easy (basic admin task almost) on most *nix's, though (from hazy memory) it does depend on the network card capabilities and driver.

Looking at the general info page for the EdgeRouter X, it seems to run something called "EdgeOS":

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x/

That has a user guide available:

https://dl.ubnt.com/guides/edgemax/EdgeOS_UG.pdf

Page 4 of the user guide says:

  CLI
  Advanced users can make configuration changes using 
  Linux commands.
If EdgeOS really is Linux based, you might be in luck. :)

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by justinclift »

jlgaddis wrote: post #54
nodesocket wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would the auth information showup in the AT&T modem admin page? They doesn't use PPPOE, just standard DHCP. Just hoping they don't filter by Mac address upstream.

On (V)DSL, they use 802.1X, not sure about their fiber service. That's what forces me to use their "home gateway" (since it auths using the certificate in the device).

As a curiosity thing, have you ever cracked open the device to see what's inside? Maybe JTAG ports on the main board, or even having the cert stored (say) on microSD card? :D

Re: Bahnhof’s 10 Gbit/s router for home use – the fastest on the market

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Post by bobwaycott »

nodesocket wrote: post #47
bobwaycott wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression a customer cannot replace AT&T routers. Do you mean you use a different router behind the box AT&T provides, or that there are viable replacements for the boxes AT&T provides customers to connect service?

I hope so. My EdgeRouter X is scheduled to come tomorrow. I have a fiber connection box coming in, which outputs RJ45. I am assuming the AT&T router can be replaced as it is just doing DHCP to get my public IP.

I'm really interested in knowing if you get this to work with AT&T without their gateway being in front of your router. I've been working on a project and have so far found AT&T gateways to be necessary for a working connection, due to certificates on the device (as mentioned by another comment in this thread). Care to share if you got it working?
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