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This fight is pot vs kettle. CA doesn't think twice about making laws that contradict federal laws or are in direct violation of the constitution. Pai is, charitably speaking, in the pocket of industry. I think CA is within its rights this time around and wins this one fair and square though despite not having an awesome coffee mug.
>CA doesn't think twice about making laws that contradict federal laws It's been my naive observation that state laws are, in some practical context, "allowed" to contradict federal laws, in the sense that perhaps they are simply given some de facto leeway. Am I totally off base? Does this reduce the hypocrisy?
Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”
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#52How long before they use the commerce clause as an excuse to kill California's law?
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I don't think most conservatives who understand NN actually support it. It's just the entrenched political class who stands to benefit from it that support it.
I don’t know. I have mixed feelings on net neutrality. I’m sure I’m to the right of a lot of HN, based on comments, but I lean left on a few issues too. I’ve recently moved to the greater Seattle area and where I live my choices for internet are Comcast and centurylink. I was pretty disappointed as I had fios at my last house. In general principle I am pro letting Comcast throttle whatever. Mainly because of property…
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#54I've said it in the past, but I'm going to repeat myself: if anyone is willing to defend Pai's actions, would you like to do a friendly bet (proceeds to to a GiveWell charity) that as soon as he is legally allowed too he will be given a sinecure at Verizon/Comcast or an RNC friendly lobby shop?
To be totally fair here, I think you'd probably have to establish a base rate of this. I'd bet that virtually all prior FCC commissioners end up with a gig like that, regardless of how they regulated the industry. It should be an easy question to answer though. EDIT: It seems many of them go to this place: https://www.aspeninstitute.org/ (source: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/314248-fcc-chair-to-ta... ). Not…
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#55TBH it is hilarious we believe "net neutrality" exists in the first place. Peering agreements between ISP's at IPX's are rarely "fair or neuatral" as different ISP's have different carrying capacity, and will treat traffic from their own networks preferentially for technical reasons. But since <5k people understand BGP routing configuration we pretend it is neutral.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think most conservatives who understand NN actually support it. It's just the entrenched political class who stands to benefit from it that support it.
I don’t know. I have mixed feelings on net neutrality. I’m sure I’m to the right of a lot of HN, based on comments, but I lean left on a few issues too. I’ve recently moved to the greater Seattle area and where I live my choices for internet are Comcast and centurylink. I was pretty disappointed as I had fios at my last house. In general principle I am pro letting Comcast throttle whatever. Mainly because of property…
Me too. I moved last year away from flawless 100/100 with a local Seattle ISP, to flawless gigabit for $45 with a local Seattle ISP, and now I'm 5 or so miles south of Seattle and I had to settle with Comcast since Centurylink DSL was my only other choice. Seattle DOES have good ISP's, but only really new buildings & downtown get that luxury.
Comcast does give me good speeds and reliability so far however, for a reasonable price. I still dislike them, and the sign-up process as well as the spam calls I received for weeks were terrible. They tried to get me to sign up for 10 TV channels I already had on my antenna in higher quality so they could gouge me on their TV rental equipment fees.
Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”
#57I've said it in the past, but I'm going to repeat myself: if anyone is willing to defend Pai's actions, would you like to do a friendly bet (proceeds to to a GiveWell charity) that as soon as he is legally allowed too he will be given a sinecure at Verizon/Comcast or an RNC friendly lobby shop?
There is no basis to advocate status quo by setting up false choices and appeals to expertise in the face of overwhelming evidence.
The impact in the financial industry, telecom, pharma and literally any segment shows incredibly damaging consequences. This is simply too high a cost to pay for some people's feelings of how the world should work versus how it actually does.
[1] http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/fda-s-revolving-door-...
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I am in no way defending Pai, but I generally disagree with the idea that a regulator working in the industry before or after they are done serving publicly is definitive proof of corruption (which you seem to be implying). That isn't to say that the revolving door nature of these regulators and private industry can't or even doesn't lead to corruption, but what are the alternatives? The regulators should obviously b…
A high-level representative of any industry is going to have personal connections in that industry and personal reasons for not wanting to regulate the industry as it should be regulated in the best interest of the people. I don't see any benefit to someone in charge of regulating the communications industry having ever worked in communications. An intelligent person - and not necessarily an academic - a lawyer would…
If you replace "communications" with "construction", you're advocating that the people regulating building codes should have absolutely no prior experience actually building things, and I imagine that is not a stance you would take. Why then is communication so different from construction?
The point of regulatory agencies is to take the aspirational goals of laws passed by the legislature and turn them into concrete, executable frameworks. This means you need people who are far more experienced on how companies are going to react to changes in regulation than the people who write the laws. Without personal experience, people are going to have rely a lot more on the corporate lobbying to make sense of what's going on, and they're going to have less basis to understand intentional misdirection in corporate responses.
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It's been my experience that all definitions of net neutrality explicitly allow prioritization for technical reasons (e.g. streaming). Is this fuzzier than I thought?
"technical reasons" is an awesome weasel word in the hands of the right c-level or legal representative.
everything else is policy - which means there is a choice. that choice might be heavily driven by economics, or by some kind of business strategy. but its pretty indefensible to say 'the crew in white coats down in the basement told me we just had to do it that way (shrug)'
so in the absence of speed-of-light issues, 'technical reasons' in this case is just a planet-sized loophole.
Re: Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”
#60I've said it in the past, but I'm going to repeat myself: if anyone is willing to defend Pai's actions, would you like to do a friendly bet (proceeds to to a GiveWell charity) that as soon as he is legally allowed too he will be given a sinecure at Verizon/Comcast or an RNC friendly lobby shop?
This is not an interesting bet at all. Isn't that exactly what many people leaving government do?
I had a conversation with a lead researcher at a pharmaceutical company (also a friend) where she discussed her plans to work at the FDA for a few years and then return to private industry. She was very explicit about her reasoning: companies pay a premium for researchers with FDA experience because such people are more adept at navigating funding and approval processes.
When I asked whether she considered that she would be participating in a corrupting (if not corrupt) process, she simply waved the notion away--this is how it works and what you need to do to advance your career. This person leans very liberal from a social and political perspective.
This is where we're at as a society. The machinery of the administrative state is consuming everything in its path. I'm not anti-government or anti-regulation. But the centralization of power is extremely problematic; not just conceptually, but literally.
Once upon a time the Federal government had an explicit (if informal) policy of placing administrative offices across the country. This was, I believe, largely a matter of sharing the employment opportunities across the states. But it also had the effect of disincentivizing government work for highly ambitious people. (Moving to D.C. is far easier to justify than moving to Oklahoma City.) These administrative offices are increasingly centralized geographically around D.C. This has attracted industry. The phenomenon is one example of many that has promoted corrupting processes such as the revolving door between regulators and industry.
On the bright side, it means there are very concrete countermeasures that we could begin instituting. For example, instate an explicit, formal policy of locating administrative agencies--especially executive offices--far outside the Beltway. Yes, this will be costly in terms of administrative efficiency. But safeguarding democratic institutions is costly; if we're not prepared to pay the price then we deserve what we get.