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Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by badminton1 »

thinkingkong wrote: post #16

I mean... Let's pause for a minute and remove the year, and remove the language / framework. What are we trying to accomplish? If we know something really well and there are enough developers to support an ecosystem and the talent pool in your is big enough just use whatever you want. PHP in 2018? SURE. C++ in 2018? SURE (You masochist) Rails in 2018? Youre damn right I would. GO in 2018? OK. Fine. Whatever. This is…

I think C++ has some pretty solid libraries. I particularly like gRPC and Thrift.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by Shinobi881 »

wukerplank wrote: post #41
Shinobi881 wrote: post #36

How is Ruby utilized outside of web development? For example: Python - Server - Cloud infrastructure SDK' - AI/Data - General scripting - Configuration management - Blockchain - ... JavaScript: - Browser - Server - Cloud infrastructure SDK' - AI/Data (however, not the most efficient choice) - General scripting - IoT - Blockchain - Mobile development - ... Basically, while Javascript may not be the most efficient choi…

Not sure if that makes it a gateway, but some tools for iOS/macOS development use it: fastlane and cocoapods are the most prominent ones. It's a great scripting language and good to develop DSLs.

Ah yes! Homebrew, for example.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by colordrops »

fsloth wrote: post #35
thinkingkong wrote: post #16

I mean... Let's pause for a minute and remove the year, and remove the language / framework. What are we trying to accomplish? If we know something really well and there are enough developers to support an ecosystem and the talent pool in your is big enough just use whatever you want. PHP in 2018? SURE. C++ in 2018? SURE (You masochist) Rails in 2018? Youre damn right I would. GO in 2018? OK. Fine. Whatever. This is…

"C++ in 2018? SURE (You masochist)" I know this is tongue in cheek, but if one is doing anything related to real time graphics programming I'm not aware of any good alternatives.

WebGL? I do get that hardcore games are more suited to compiled code non garbage collected though.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by ddebernardy »

paulie_a wrote: post #13
whalesalad wrote: post #4

I commented a few months ago that if I was starting a new company today I’d use Rails without hesitation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17355776 Well, I’m starting a company and our current prototype is Rails. I don’t regret my decision at all, although after spending the last four years writing exclusively Python it’s been a little jarring. The muscle memory is still there though and after two weeks I’m almos…

To be fair the technology stack is almost irrelevant when you are starting a company. write it in perl, python, rails, hell write it in old school cgi and use c++. It all comes down to how many sales did you make today. The clients will rarely care what language was used behind the scenes.

It's not an irrelevant choice. Your talent pool will look very different with each of the options you mention.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by fsloth »

colordrops wrote: post #54
fsloth wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"C++ in 2018? SURE (You masochist)" I know this is tongue in cheek, but if one is doing anything related to real time graphics programming I'm not aware of any good alternatives.

WebGL? I do get that hardcore games are more suited to compiled code non garbage collected though.

I suppose WebGL is okay for shader prototyping, for example using Shadertoy [0]. However, you can use it only within the context of a browser framework. That is still not the optimum deployment nor development platform for a variety of scenarios.

The original joke though, was that C++ was for masochists. I'm not sure developing a web application is any less painfull...

[0] https://www.shadertoy.com/

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by erokar »

sho wrote: post #9

Of course it is. The question is kind of silly. For basically any startup, my advice would be: unless and until you can credibly explain a genuine reason why you can't use Rails - use Rails. I'm not some crazy fanboy but until someone can actually name a seriously competitive, batteries-included, all-in-one framework* which delivers everything, or even most of, what Rails does - it is very relevant and you ignore it…

I think Django comes close to Rails with regards to productivity. Granted, Django has slightly more overhead to get started, but Django also includes an admin interface and a built-in auth system, which Rails does not.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by lloeki »

fsloth wrote: post #35
thinkingkong wrote: post #16

I mean... Let's pause for a minute and remove the year, and remove the language / framework. What are we trying to accomplish? If we know something really well and there are enough developers to support an ecosystem and the talent pool in your is big enough just use whatever you want. PHP in 2018? SURE. C++ in 2018? SURE (You masochist) Rails in 2018? Youre damn right I would. GO in 2018? OK. Fine. Whatever. This is…

"C++ in 2018? SURE (You masochist)" I know this is tongue in cheek, but if one is doing anything related to real time graphics programming I'm not aware of any good alternatives.

> I'm not aware of any good alternatives.

Vulkan/C? Metal/ObjC†/C? From C libs you can probably get to bindings to other languages like D, Haskell, Rust, Go†.

† depending on your definition of "real time" (soft vs hard), both kernel-wise and GC-wise.

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by sergioisidoro »

I've recently made the switch from Django/Flask to Rails. And I have a feeling that those frameworks surpassed rails in terms of maturity. Rails feels a bit hacky in comparison (ORM, migration management, validation and data management, etc)

This might be a personal opinion, and just a disagreement on philosophical cornerstones. However, if asked, I would point to Django as a starting point to whoever asks me "What should I use to start project X"

Re: Is Rails still relevant in 2018?

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Post by andy_ppp »

misterbowfinger wrote: post #37

The example of why Elixir is less productive makes 0 sense: Doh Phoenix and Elixir are trying to do all the best to help developers be productive, when you are a technology that promises such a huge scale you need to introduce practices that need to be decoupled => bit slower for developers. Good example of this how a “model” writes to database. Module (with schema) need to call a changeset, changeset call repository…

I personally think the deployment story heavily conflicts with container management. I’m going to give edeliver on real hardware a go at some point and things should work very well and be very simple.
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